Welcome to California..

[Sikon]

This is a video I made to show one of hundreds of homeless camps throughout Sacramento, Ca. One of thousands throughout California. This is about 1 mile on Roseville Road in Sacramento. Every few months they will go and clear them out. Not necessarily the people, but the stripped stolen cars and abandoned RVs. A few weeks later the area will look exactly the same with new stolen vehicles, an abundance of trash and multiple forms drug use disposed items. I have not only heard of but have seen multiple people OD from heroin and fentanyl. Meth users will walk down the street talking to themselves or laid out on n some random public grass area passed out. This shit is wild to me. 

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Sikon

[bds1961]

What’s sad is CA gives them so many free hand outs it only brings in more of them from other states.  Have lived here my whole life and have watched the democrats destroy this state for the last 40 years of them being in control with all there hand outs and programs.    Crime has increased to a level I thought I’d never see here are would have even dreamed possible in a country of laws   

[Ruthless]

We have a lot of that shit up in Washington state too. We had one of those old RVs park at a grocery store a while back and catch on fire (they were cooking meth in it). The burning husk just sat there for weeks with police tape around it until the store finally spent money to clean that crap up. 

I thought it was just a west coast thing but I went and visited Missouri a month ago - I drove the 2000 miles across the Rockies and the plains. I saw homeless crap like that in more places than I imagined. Even in Wyoming (I didn't even realize anyone lived in that state) I saw some tents and RVs in Cheyenne (the older dilapidated looking RVs I assume are homeless). I saw more homeless in Missouri too. Even in small / medium size towns (~100k) around where I grew up. 

I believe its mostly drugs. The homeless I run across are usually crazy. They don't seem to really want help, they seem to just want money for drugs. They aren't happy receiving food and there sure isn't any that hold signs that say 'looking for work'. There is an interesting YouTube video on the homeless problem in Seattle that explores this. We as a society are going to have to come to a decision on if we want to lock people up in insane asylums like the old days (or some shit like that) or just let this kind of shit potentially spread everywhere as housing prices continue to go up.

The old trailer parks and project housing that existed when I was young was where most of that crazy shit was contained. Now those trailer parks are being sold for millions (in the west anyway) and the poorest and craziest have no where to go but the streets (they won't go to shelters because they can't do drugs there). 

[AusiGirl]

Not Good!

[RobMc]

I find this fact more depressing than the war in Ukraine, it is well hidden in the MSM just like similar things in Europe. I hope you are all well aware that some of what you read and see is not true, and worse you do not get to see and read some things you should. The Seattle docu/movie is truly horrendous, Youtube has become one of the few places things like this have an outlook, but even they are censoring more and more, you must all fight for free speech.

[Smeggie]

Glad I got to California before it turned into a shitshow.  I won't go back.....ever.

Newsome, Pelosi and the Dems own this.

Edited October 13, 2022 by SGTSmeg

[Majbasil]

Perhaps if the western countries that are pitiful with the massive homeless, crime, drugs, and hopelessness in our society saw systems that WORK successfully, and adopted more of a compassionate,

"we are all in this together" type of attitude, we would not have a sucky human world we muck, war, and suffer thru.  https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessne

 

Tough problems, let's be wise and thoughtful and creative, not cave-man-like, history shows us it does not end well for anyone.

Quote

The causes of — and solutions to — homelessness are complex

On the surface, the way to solve America’s homelessness problem may appear relatively straightforward.

For example, as our study shows, the number of people who are homeless tends to be proportionally higher in states where home prices are more expensive. With that in mind, it may be tempting to conclude that reducing home prices is all that’s needed to end homelessness. Similarly, one might also conclude that using some of the nation’s millions of vacant housing units to house those without a place to call home may be another relatively straightforward way to keep people off the streets and out of shelters.

However, these solutions ignore the underlying complexity behind the problem of homelessness in America.

Though some unhoused Americans would likely benefit from finding more affordable homes in their area, many homeless people are so because of issues like substance abuse, mental or physical illness. Merely placing people who struggle with these types of problems in empty houses might keep them off the streets, but it would do little to address real reasons why they ended up homeless in the first place.

With that in mind, it becomes clear that ending homelessness is much more complicated than it might initially appear. Not only do we have to find places for those without homes to live, but we must also take steps to address the nonfinancial reasons why people are on the streets.

Building more affordable housing and relocating some empty homes to those who need them are certainly important tools in combating poverty. But without taking into consideration the social elements of homelessness, the problem is unlikely to ever be resolved.

 

[Hunter1948]

I watched this on DR Phil yesterday.

 

[rexbowan]

Very sad.

[RobMc]

4 hours ago, Majbasil said:

Perhaps if the western countries that are pitiful with the massive homeless, crime, drugs, and hopelessness in our society saw systems that WORK successfully, and adopted more of a compassionate,

"we are all in this together" type of attitude, we would not have a sucky human world we muck, war, and suffer thru.  https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessne

 

Tough problems, let's be wise and thoughtful and creative, not cave-man-like, history shows us it does not end well for anyone.

 

Bless her, she doesn't live in our world does she? Basil my dear answer the following questions for Rob so I can understand :-

• Have you ever been poor
• Did you come from a single parent family
• Have you ever had to work to put food on the table
• Did you skip school
• Have you been to jail
• Were your parents poor
• Have you ever lived outside the USA (not tourist)
• Have you ever been hungry
• Have you taken drugs or know anyone who does
• Do you know any alcoholics
• Have you never been on holiday
• Have you ever been beaten
• Do you give half your earnings to charity

I suspect most people can say yes to around 50%, I'm not teasing you, just curious, how many can you say yes to? Your perspective of the world we live in is that of a student, not of an ordinary citizen of a country.

[Sammy]

Of course being a big state, with a big population, its going to have an outsized amount of homeless compared to the aforementioned Wyoming. Moreso because of the climate as well. Regardless of which party here is in power. They didnt all suddenly pop up within the last couple years. Been in this state all my life, seen governors and legislatures come and go, and none of them could (or would?) tackle the problem in any meaningful way. Just a lot of platitudes, friendly media interviews, and photo ops.

Its convenient, and perhaps feel-good, to try and put the blame on the political party you dont like even though the party you do like is just as responsible. A lot of 'yes but' arguments.

[RobMc]

1 minute ago, Sammy said:

ts convenient, and perhaps feel-good, to try and put the blame on the political party you dont like even though the party you do like is just as responsible. A lot of 'yes but' arguments.

Isn't that precisely the reason they are voted in?? to sort out problems?, if they have been in power for 40 years when are they going to start? The other party in this case are non existent, sorry Sammy that is not an argument, it is a pathetic excuse.

[Majbasil]

Rob honestly, knock it off, you aren't funny, kinda an asshole, and frankly, I would prefer to not be included in your posts.  As for your personal questions you asked me above, I reply with - go fuck yourself.    

Now back to having a good day.  

[RobMc]

OH why am I not surprised?, you give all your advice on multiple posts, but when anyone argues your dummy is out the pram, sad sad, nice to see the violence inherited with the system (to quote Monty Python). Glad the others in these forums can put forward a reasoned argument.

[TBB]

Happening all over the country - the politicians forget that they work for us - not their egos. They need to focus on OUR country - not the rest of the world. Posted this before but it is still true

 

[Sammy]

5 minutes ago, RobMc said:

Isn't that precisely the reason they are voted in?? to sort out problems?, if they have been in power for 40 years when are they going to start? The other party in this case are non existent, sorry Sammy that is not an argument, it is a pathetic excuse.

I would hardly call it being in power for all those years. Depending on how you want to define it I suppose. Various people like to say (positive and negative) that the democrats are 'in power' in DC. The truth is never that simple. But it makes for a good campaign and media talking point.

There is no secret about the state of things and why they exist. Its how politics works. Everybody wants what they see as 'problems' sorted out. So long as it is done in the way they want. And of course so long as they dont have to pay for it (get others to pay), dont have to help do it, and its done in what they decide is a timely manner.  Thats fine. Just dont try and shift responsibility for the results, or lack thereof, onto others when it doesnt work. Happens all the time in history, because the human species is populated by morons from top to bottom, and America is not immune.

I dont know when, but at some point Republicans threw independents like myself (and I am, despite what some others are told to think) to the curb and labeled us as lefties. As for why? And its an opinion. Independents generally dont give money to politicians or their PACs. I dont. But I have a vote. However then there is another person. A partisan but not a voter (among that %50 of the country that doesnt vote) that has an unused vote but gives campaign money. Would a politician... I dont care which side... prefer to work to get my vote (knowing thats all they are going to get) or would they try to get the partisan vote AND their money? And with that in mind, what will they say and do (or prevent to ensure the other side loses) in order to try and appeal to that person?

I used to do the $1 thing on my taxes to help fund political campaigns to encourage at least a little bit of fairness or other non-partisan voices that dont have the big money. Figured it was my duty as an American. But after spending limits were thrown in the trash I stopped. Thanks Republicans. You got what you wanted and the money. And in time the Democrats learned to beat you at your own game. I wonder if those that tried to keep them were secretly happy that they lost. Both sides spend several billion dollars every 2-4 years. All in order to flood what you see, read, and hear in order control what you think. Everyone can shut it all off at any time. Protect yourself from the attempts at control so you can have time to think. But they dont. Based on everything around us I suppose those in control have won.

A long post. But at times, various things need to be said instead of punch lines.

[Smeggie]

When states tax people into oblivion to do nothing but sponsor socialist policies that encourage this, what do you think is going to happen?

Besides the invasion of illegal aliens straining our economy and depending on the government, there are high real estate prices, taxes out the wazoo, socialist policies that make people dependent on the government dole??

This isn't by accident.

Edited October 14, 2022 by SGTSmeg

[PimpedOutPete]

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/06/08/1003982733/squalor-behind-the-golden-gate-confronting-californias-homelessness-crisis

[MordBlack]

9 hours ago, RobMc said:

• Have you ever been poor Yes
• Did you come from a single parent family Mom & Dad devorced when 6 raise by mother
• Have you ever had to work to put food on the table Yes everyday
• Did you skip school Yes
• Have you been to jail  County for 2 hrs yes
• Were your parents poor Mother , Brother lived insection 8 apartment then Section 8 Housing
• Have you ever lived outside the USA (not tourist) no
• Have you ever been hungry No
• Have you taken drugs or know anyone who does Yes
• Do you know any alcoholics Yes
• Have you never been on holiday Yes XI fest Tennessee
• Have you ever been beaten By Bullies
• Do you give half your earnings to charity No can't afford too

 

Sorry Was to curious to not answer.

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by MordBlack

[RobMc]

Very honest answers, and about in line with most people (excluding Basil of course), thanks, hope your little girl is well (one of my favourites)

[TheLastColdBeer]

We are all here together, but sadly, not for the same purposes. One hoped we had a common goal, such as a prosperous nation, justice for all, and opportunity to enjoy life. Can't have that while your "elected" representatives view their constituents as sheep to be fleeced. I never intended to bust my arse so some junkie could doze off his fentanyl high off on the sidewalk. 

[major-mark63]

i think porverty is more related to the rising prices of housing , and its specially expansive in CA.

Average minimum salary workers cant afford decent houses, or even a rent ed appartment some times more than 1000$ a month,

Its a problem seen in a lot of countries.

The pandemic sored the price of everything , and its not any politics that did that , stop blaming governments ,

red blue demos or repub , tories or libs no one could controls the inflation its world  economics .

i think also in US if you dont have insurance and get sick you could ruin yourself to get threated then you can easily loose everything and end up in the streets.

When people are in misery they often start doing drugs to forget  then they fall in a no end hole .

i know its a shock in a supposed rich country , but when you dont have any or few middle class , there is a big divide between rich and poor.

[Smeggie]

31 minutes ago, major-mark63 said:

 

The pandemic sored the price of everything , and its not any politics that did that , stop blaming governments ,

 

COVID did nothing to create panic (thank Dr. Fauci and the media for that), price surges or supply chain issues.  Nothing.   The Government did all of that.

The government ruined small businesses and put people out of work.  They mandated masks and vaccinations that required people to get a vaccine just to keep a job they had for 30 years.  And for what?  People still got sick and died (and still are after numerous boosters).  And we all know that masks did absolutely nothing. They gave people a puny stipend to make people think that they were actually doing something.

If you think that the pandemic was not politicized, you're absolutely wrong....

[Sammy]

Politicized by both sides remember. Glass houses and all of that. And it was (and still is) a ‘global’ supply chain problem. Not just here. Unless you think the government here is in control of, say, all of China and not the communists. I suspect they might differ on that.

[bds1961]

21 minutes ago, Sammy said:

Politicized by both sides remember. Glass houses and all of that. And it was (and still is) a ‘global’ supply chain problem. Not just here. Unless you think the government here is in control of, say, all of China and not the communists. I suspect they might differ on that.

It’s was easy to politicize it when living in CA. When at its worse CA because of there policies had ships waiting off shore for up to 5 months to unload there cargo.  The SF bay was a huge parking lot so they mandated they stay off shore till room opened up.  In the mean time they were working over the truckers every way they could slowing down the whole process of unloading.  And even now with all that went in there passing laws that will remove thousands of trucks from operation in CA when they are needed the most to distribute the cargo.  All part of them wanting to go green with out think8ng is f the affect it has on our supply chain