Shamu Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hostess Foods filing for bankruptcy. Could it be the end of the Twinkie? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKw6xX6Ztc Damage_inc- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Toes Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) yes i seen the news no more twinkies it time to end it all Edited November 16, 2012 by 7toes_ky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DramaLlama Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 1443 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2299 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 3788 Achievement Points: 17866 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 05/24/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 8, 2023 Birthday: 02/19/1987 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) gotta love unions........... time to stock up on Hostess snack foods. Edited November 16, 2012 by DramaLlama Evil-Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
deerejon Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30 Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Jennifer Joyce is quite the Twinkie...yum.... Dont eat twinkies but would make an exception.... I will miss wonder bread though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14888 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 7829 Achievement Points: 91105 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted November 16, 2012 Lol well, the ones on the shelf are designed to last til 2023... So don't worry, there will still be a few at your local truck K stop...lol Mule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 7653 Content Per Day: 1.97 Reputation: 7228 Achievement Points: 53668 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 13 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 A business is suffering because of the economy in part, but also because it can't afford union compensation. But rather than take any cuts in compensation to keep themselves employed, to keep food on the table, the union workers walk. And so now, they are out of a job. Good!! Sadly, two-thirds of Hostess employees are non-union, and they, too, are out of a job.Typical. Pharticus, Damage_inc-, Mule and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Robdiego Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3837 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Achievement Points: 262 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 31, 2013 Birthday: 09/16/1983 Share Posted November 16, 2012 better less sweets instead of more and more unacceptable loans. twinkie is a product of hostess brands, owned by a group of investmentfirms. total revenue´08 was 2,7 bln $.....if they really wanted to go on, they could just shrink. but they declare bankrupcy so that the investors could sell all assets for a cheap and fast dollar for the last quarter. because they dont give a shit never ever undermine a union pls. one of a few tools to raise your voice as a worker/citizen. peace JohnnyDos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) never ever undermine a union pls. one of a few tools to raise your voice as a worker/citizen. peace First understand that I am a retiree of the United Auto Workers union just so you do not think I am coming from a biased position. I also served as an elected union official. Very often unions are their own worst enemy through restrictive job classifications and even the seniority system which allows drones to continue to work while more competent union members are laid off. Unions are not without fault in jobs leaving this country for more a more favorable economic position. Unions members need to realize that the company must make money and must remain competitive with non union or foreign competition. Until the two sides realize they need each other to succeed we in the U.S. will continue to lose work to non union shops and foreign competition. A good start would be opening the books for a fair and honest review of the companies competitive position, in it's industry, prior to contract negotiations or demands. And don't even get me started on public service employees who hold students and the general public hostage with their demands. PS; I would add since you are from Germany that some of our old school journeymen German Tool and Die makers were among the best tool makers I have ever encountered. Their work ethic was outstanding and they knew how to teach an apprentice. Pride in craftsmanship set them apart. You just don't see it like that anymore. I still can see them in their bib overalls and bow tie along with outstanding personal care of their tools. Edited November 16, 2012 by Shamu Merlin007, Damage_inc-, 1Tigerlily and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil-Monkey Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 221 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 11 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1864 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 745 Achievement Points: 12302 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 8 Birthday: 06/10/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 the bakers union have no one to blame but themselves for this one.WoW they wouldnt except a 8% cut in pay which means instead of $50.000k a year they would only make 47.000k a year.is that so unreasonable ?(My brother is a union labor )and i know alot of union HVAC guys since that is what i do .i dont hate unions .but damn it i want my twinkies...lololololoolol 1Tigerlily and Spartacus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 7653 Content Per Day: 1.97 Reputation: 7228 Achievement Points: 53668 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 13 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 I contend that a company's profits and its balance sheet are not the business of its employees, period. A highly profitable company owes nothing more to its employees than what it already has agreed to pay them. If the owner of a company decides to take all of his profits in cash, and go out in the back yard and burn it, that's not the concern of his employees. Employees offer skill sets to an employer, who reimburses them for use of those skill sets. Employees work for a compensation package they agree to upon being hired - their decision whether to accept that offer of unemployement under those terms. If the company makes twice as much money as it intended in a year, that's its money to keep - or share among investors, whatever. Employees aren't owed any part of excess profits. They've already been compensated for their work. They may unionize, and then attempt to coerce an employer to give them more of the employer's profits on threat of strike. But if they in fact do strike, I believe the employer should be able to fire them at will, and replace them with employees who will accept the current compensation package. An employer should be free to cut hours, wages, or contributions to a retirement plan for any reason. If an employee finds that unacceptable, he can leave and seek other employment. He is owed nothing more than what he has been paid for his skill sets. He didn't start the company. He didn't make that investment or take that risk. And he has no claim to excess profits and if employment conditions change, he has the option to take his skill sets elsewhere. I heard my father, a machinist, curse the union he was forced to join when it went on strike. All he wanted to do was work and feed his family and he was content with what he was paid. But that strike, and a subsequent one, where the union demanded more and more and more, finally prompted the company to fold, which left him out of a job. Pharticus, Spartacus, Warface and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Business vs unions is never an easy proposition. As in all things there should be a balance. But all the 'unions are bad' talk seem to think businesses have proverbial halo's over their heads. They dont. Business wants to pay workers as little as they can get away with. Unions wants as much pay as they can squeeze out of the employers. Both need to meet somewhere in the middle, which seems to be the exception rather than the rule these days. The hard part is finding what that middle is. Sonovabich and Warface 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
djMot Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3189 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 94 Topic Count: 355 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 5234 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 11106 Achievement Points: 48754 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 112 Joined: 02/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: 20 hours ago Birthday: 12/24/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 The clip in the OP is already dated. The CEO was on the Today show this morning saying "it's over." http://video.msnbc.msn.com/TODAY/49852946/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
pancakes Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 2395 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 800 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 217 Achievement Points: 5471 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 07/22/1994 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Buy all the twinkies now!!! THEY WILL BE THE NEW CURRENCY!!! Warface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Robdiego Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3837 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Achievement Points: 262 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 31, 2013 Birthday: 09/16/1983 Share Posted November 16, 2012 hi shamu never ever undermine a union pls. one of a few tools to raise your voice as a worker/citizen. peace First understand that I am a retiree of the United Auto Workers union just so you do not think I am coming from a biased position. I also served as an elected union official. Very often unions are their own worst enemy through restrictive job classifications and even the seniority system which allows drones to continue to work while more competent union members are laid off. Unions are not without fault in jobs leaving this country for more a more favorable economic position. Unions members need to realize that the company must make money and must remain competitive with non union or foreign competition. Until the two sides realize they need each other to succeed we in the U.S. will continue to lose work to non union shops and foreign competition. A good start would be opening the books for a fair and honest review of the companies competitive position, in it's industry, prior to contract negotiations or demands. And don't even get me started on public service employees who hold students and the general public hostage with their demands. PS; I would add since you are from Germany that some of our old school journeymen German Tool and Die makers were among the best tool makers I have ever encountered. Their work ethic was outstanding and they knew how to teach an apprentice. Pride in craftsmanship set them apart. You just don't see it like that anymore. I still can see them in their bib overalls and bow tie along with outstanding personal care of their tools. totally agree, but unions need to be a kind of opposition. and i would assure that the majority know exactly how far they could go before the company start loss-making. and no ceo on that planet like strong unions. so they use the economic freedom to go abroad into countries with less rights and cheaper productive forces but when it ends in 2 part.time jobs for the average citizen just because its a law of free market. then the market is just sick. in germany we say "properties bound"(hopefully the right translation )...that means u have a huge responsibiltiy even for your workers. its an ongoing process of establishing laws for minimum wages, so that even the competitor,within the country, have the same conditions. and yea, u can also reach the jobs-abroad-problem with punitiv tariff, to beware the national market suffer under inflation of prices for goods, and theirfore the average loan because your work-force is not too expensive anymore. e.g. apple is btw a shame. 2012 :73k staff, and the average aquired profit of one worker was 573k$ and all know the loans of a chinese worker. would that be an american job, with 30k.per anno, wouldn´t be to much to stay wealthy and grow. and all struggle to get one of these 600$ phones...i dont get it. and i struggle talking about politics in english ...lol Shamu and JohnnyDos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 and i struggle talking about politics in english ...lol Dont worry. Alot of native English speakers struggle talking about politics in English. Warface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Robdiego Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3837 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 17 Achievement Points: 262 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 31, 2013 Birthday: 09/16/1983 Share Posted November 16, 2012 If the company makes twice as much money as it intended in a year, that's its money to keep - or share among investors, whatever. Employees aren't owed any part of excess profits. They've already been compensated for their work. naah when it turns out that the work force of the employee was able to provide an unexpected profitable good , it wasnt just "any" work-force, it was his/her work-force. a bonus is a must to honor that. that keeps motivation high and the quality. if u dont do so, the most employee someday won´t give a fuck of the quality they produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 and i struggle talking about politics in english ...lol Dont worry. Alot of native English speakers struggle talking about politics in English. I agree, we can confuse ourselves with BS or just the desire to disagree with whatever is said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkie 13 Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 3003 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 26 Topic Count: 36 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 418 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 347 Achievement Points: 3590 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 13 hours ago Birthday: 03/17/1979 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Do i have to change my name now. RIP Twinkies 1Tigerlily 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 7653 Content Per Day: 1.97 Reputation: 7228 Achievement Points: 53668 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 13 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 Where's the bailout for this union? Aren't Twinkies too big to fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Warface Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 490 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 446 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 350 Achievement Points: 3309 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2023 Birthday: 04/25/1973 Device: Windows Share Posted November 16, 2012 ill take a box of twinkies over a silverado any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TheLastColdBeer Posted November 16, 2012 Member ID: 489 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 548 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 4673 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 5862 Achievement Points: 41100 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Saturday at 11:41 AM Birthday: 01/09/1963 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted November 16, 2012 Spartacus, Damage_inc- and hxtr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Spartacus Posted November 17, 2012 Member ID: 1387 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 30 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2540 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 2485 Achievement Points: 19552 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4 Birthday: 06/05/1968 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2012 The Union Striking Workers Gets My "Happy Now?" Award! Freakin' Idiots Now Can Depend On Baracka-Claus... Pharticus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted November 17, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2012 I suppose this should go into a politics section. I am surprised there havent been any comments in the various forums about how Santa Claus is not a US born citizen. Twinkies will be back. The name is too well known for it to just disappear. Of course whoever buys the name and sells them again probably wont have those pesky union workers to worry about. Which was probably the goal anyways. hxtr and Sonovabich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted November 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 @ Harry; Your position may work in a right to work state or a non-union shop. However in union shops you are bound by contract which in turn requires the management and union to negotiate. Many companies have been much more open about the companies financial position in order to resolve contract disputes. Also understand the workings of some union contracts and I will reference auto workers. Did you know that Ford, Chrysler and GM were at one time restricted from outsourcing any work to non-union supplier shops by contract? So if you were to be a supplier to the auto industry, even in a right to work state, you had to allow your workers to be unionized. From personal experience I am familiar with a major supplier located in Kentucky, a right to work state, that had to allow unionization in order to retain work from Ford. I am not saying I agree with it but it's just how it was. Unionize or lose all Ford work which would essentially close the plant. Some of you might be amazed at the controls the Big 3 can exercise over the supplier industry. And believe me the supplier industry is big. It can go right down to if your employees are wearing their safety glasses or not. That is not to say all workers had to join the union but I believe they still paid the dues and received a contract usually closely based on the lead contract negotiated with one of the big 3 depending on who was selected for the initial contract negotiation which set the pattern for others in the industry to follow. I also readily admit I am 15 years removed from active contract negotiations and much has changed. I did however see a much closer relationship between union and management start to take hold as both sides realized they both, in some way, needed each other and needed to find common profitable grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted November 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 I suppose this should go into a politics section. I am surprised there havent been any comments in the various forums about how Santa Claus is not a US born citizen. If it were to go to politics as a registered user you would not see it. Besides, it's not political, it's more about the economy driving the actions of both management and unions and a very real situation here in Philly for the Hostess employees. Damage_inc- and hxtr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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