little_old_man Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's been all over the news for the last couple of days, but now it's looking more like the co-pilot intentionally crashed the plane. No motive for the co-pilot committing suicide just yet. On US flights when one pilot leaves the cockpit, a flight attendent must sit in the cockpit in case there is a medical emergency with the person flying the plane. That's not the rule on European flights, but I'm guessing it will be from now on. With the Malaysian flight last year vanishing without a trace and now this one intentionially crashing, something bad is going on. I hope they don't find that it was related to terrorism. Those poor passengers must have known something horrible was wrong for the last 10 minutes of their lives. Thoughts and prayers to them and their families. Joe Canadian, DEEJAYKEG, Logan and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 14 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 I am hearing that they are finding no reason at all for the suicide, i really hope that it wasn't terrorist motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisty* Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 21058 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 220 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2494 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 2778 Achievement Points: 20963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 04/25/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 18, 2021 Birthday: 03/07/1987 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) It's all so insane my thoughts go out to all family and friends of the victims. It's all so vague.. I really wonder what happened. They found a voice recording in the black box. I heard that the co-pilot couldn't get back in the cock-pit.. That the pilot locked the door? Edited March 26, 2015 by Nisty* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 14 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) It's all so insane my thoughts go out to all family and friends of the victims. It's all so vague.. I really wonder what happened. They found a voice recording in the black box. I heard that the co-pilot couldn't get back in the cock-pit.. That the pilot locked the door? This was the Co-Pilot, he locked the Pilot out of the cockpit by flicking a switch that stops anybody getting in, this was implemented after 9/11 nothing can get through those doors now if they are locked, he ignored all calls for him to open the door, he then activated the descent switch and took the plane into the mountain, they said they could hear the Pilots frantic attempts to get in through the Black Box and also all the screams from the poor passengers. Edited March 26, 2015 by Sonovabich JohnnyDos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted March 26, 2015 Tragic events. My thoughts go to the families of the souls who were lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
loaderXI Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 252 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 71 Topic Count: 392 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 6418 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 6495 Achievement Points: 54343 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 30 Joined: 09/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 9 hours ago Birthday: 03/22/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Wow how horrific...Prayers going out for the families of those aboard http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/mar/26/germanwings-plane-crash-investigation-press-conference-live-updates-4u9525 Edited March 26, 2015 by loaderXI animalxi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
bds1961 Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 1213 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5349 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 13963 Achievement Points: 47131 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 174 Joined: 03/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 10/11/1961 Device: iPad Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is so sad, This world just keeps getting sicker and sicker. We put our trust in these people to move us safely around the world and it only takes one person to destroy it. I feel for those families loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Joe Canadian Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 822 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 87 Topic Count: 317 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5477 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 5025 Achievement Points: 42632 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 12/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 25, 2023 Birthday: 03/01/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) This is really sad, but pilot, co-pilot or former crew member suicide/plane crash is not a new thing. It has happened at least 4 times in the past 20 years...maybe its time to go back to the drawing board and review the current security policies.. Edited March 26, 2015 by Joe Canadian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Olive Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 69 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 227 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2660 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 4123 Achievement Points: 22968 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 06:15 PM Birthday: 05/07/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 I heard the conversation between the two pilots was cool,they were almost kidding about some stuff.Now i'm wondering how can you switch from a "i'm cool/kidding" state of mind to a "i'll crash this plane killing everybody on board including me" state of mind ? I don't get it Joe Canadian and loaderXI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 AFAIK in the US by law there must always be two people in the cockpit. If one of the pilots must take a break then someone else takes his seat. Not going to stop someone that has a gun but easy enough to search them all before allowing them to board. The third person doesnt have to be a pilot but just another person in front. In the past there were often three flight qualified people. But that got too expensive I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 I heard the conversation between the two pilots was cool,they were almost kidding about some stuff.Now i'm wondering how can you switch from a "i'm cool/kidding" state of mind to a "i'll crash this plane killing everybody on board including me" state of mind ? I don't get it I am sure a lot of mass murderers seem fine on the outside. One of the ways rapists/killers get their female victims. Olive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
coolmd Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 2384 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 69 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1058 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 757 Achievement Points: 9389 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/10/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 6 Birthday: 01/18/1966 Device: Android Share Posted March 26, 2015 I dont think this should be treated as suicide............IT IS MASS MURDER...callous and calculated........WTF is the world doing...cant trust anyone............ Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Joe Canadian Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 822 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 87 Topic Count: 317 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5477 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 5025 Achievement Points: 42632 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 12/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 25, 2023 Birthday: 03/01/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I heard the conversation between the two pilots was cool,they were almost kidding about some stuff.Now i'm wondering how can you switch from a "i'm cool/kidding" state of mind to a "i'll crash this plane killing everybody on board including me" state of mind ? I don't get it That's because you are a professional pilot/normal human being who has values and no malice whatsoever. And you assume - in fact most rational people do (except for Budman and TBB;-)- that your co-workers, solely by the fact that they have the same occupation and wear the same uniform, share your life perceptions and core values.... This is probably a scary thought but also reality. What concerns me the most is that you are usually able to weed out the bad apples at some point in most professions and take action. However, when it comes to the air industry you are limited to burying the dead and opening an investigation... Edited March 26, 2015 by Joe Canadian Olive and Sonovabich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Olive Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 69 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 227 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2660 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 4123 Achievement Points: 22968 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 06:15 PM Birthday: 05/07/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 I am sure a lot of mass murderers seem fine on the outside. One of the ways rapists/killers get their female victims. I'm afraid you're right and that's pretty scary ! AFAIK in the US by law there must always be two people in the cockpit. If one of the pilots must take a break then someone else takes his seat. Not going to stop someone that has a gun but easy enough to search them all before allowing them to board. The third person doesnt have to be a pilot but just another person in front. In the past there were often three flight qualified people. But that got too expensive I guess. That's a measure we have in the airline i'm working for ( Air France ) but it's optional though ( captain decision ) It's a good measure in case the pilot has a health problem while the other one is outside the cockpit but wouldn't help if the one piloting decides to crash the plane . No way a flight attendant who know nothing about piloting could do anything in that case. Joe Canadian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Joe Canadian Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 822 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 87 Topic Count: 317 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5477 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 5025 Achievement Points: 42632 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 12/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 25, 2023 Birthday: 03/01/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 AFAIK in the US by law there must always be two people in the cockpit. If one of the pilots must take a break then someone else takes his seat. Not going to stop someone that has a gun but easy enough to search them all before allowing them to board. The third person doesnt have to be a pilot but just another person in front. In the past there were often three flight qualified people. But that got too expensive I guess. I think planes, human lives and insurance settlements cost a lot more than sending three competent pilots on each flight. I am aware, however, that this is far from being a solution to the problem. A sick mind, even with the best qualifications, will always find a way to prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Joe Canadian Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 822 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 87 Topic Count: 317 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5477 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 5025 Achievement Points: 42632 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 20 Joined: 12/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 25, 2023 Birthday: 03/01/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 Olive, I am going to ask you an open question. Do we have the technology nowadays to disable -from the ground- the flight controls of a plane that we perceive is flying in an erratic pattern and make it land safely at the closest airport/airstrip available on fully automated mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
JohnnyNashville Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 25938 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 343 Topics Per Day: 0.14 Content Count: 1493 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 284 Achievement Points: 13299 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 25, 2022 Birthday: 08/08/1961 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Prayers and thoughts to the victims and there families! TSA/FAA only reacts to a problem...they are NOT pro-active. The next step is to have the locks to the cockpit key-coded much like a modern hotel room. jn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_old_man Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Olive, I am going to ask you an open question. Do we have the technology nowadays to disable -from the ground- the flight controls of a plane that we perceive is flying in an erratic pattern and make it land safely at the closest airport/airstrip available on fully automated mode? More than likely we do Joe, but then you have the opposite problem which is, what if a nut-case on the ground is able to get control of a plane in the air and crash it? There are already rumors that hackers of certain governments have been able to temporarily take control of military drones, although I'm sure whatever government owns the drones doesn't want that information made public and is in full denial mode. All of this great technology is making the world a much scarier place. Joe Canadian and loaderXI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Olive Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 69 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 227 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2660 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 4123 Achievement Points: 22968 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 06:15 PM Birthday: 05/07/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 Olive, I am going to ask you an open question. Do we have the technology nowadays to disable -from the ground- the flight controls of a plane that we perceive is flying in an erratic pattern and make it land safely at the closest airport/airstrip available on fully automated mode? No ....and yes lol . No because commercial flights are not equiped whith any system who could allow anybody from the ground to take control of the fligft . It just doesn't exist.The only response for a plane flying erraticly and being a potential danger for people on the ground is sending fighter planes and take it down . In that case fighters planes from Orange ( south of France ) who are on a " 5 minutes take off alert" were probably on the crash scene seconds after the crash if not before the crash and witnessed it .... Yes because some tests had been made on some commercial planes ( bae 146 ) a few month ago and it appears it possible to put a plane in the sky and land it whithout any human on board.A computer do the job... It would cost millions/billions to put this system on every commercial planes and i can tell you the industry is not ready to pay ... Joe Canadian and little_old_man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WeednFeed Posted March 26, 2015 Member ID: 433 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 39 Topic Count: 345 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 2334 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 3799 Achievement Points: 24053 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 35 Joined: 09/17/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 05/28/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted March 26, 2015 Prayers and thoughts to all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
window Posted March 27, 2015 Member ID: 1189 Group: ++ COD2 Admin Followers: 21 Topic Count: 81 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2005 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 866 Achievement Points: 12796 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 22 Birthday: 07/20/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted March 27, 2015 My thoughts and prayers to the poor passengers on that plane. WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted March 27, 2015 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 14 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted March 27, 2015 They are now saying this fella had a history of depression, if they knew this he should have been nowhere near a Cockpit, if he wanted to off himself he should have jumped of a bridge. P!nk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_old_man Posted March 27, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Just heard on the news that investigators found a note from his doctor at his house stating that he should be excused from work on the day that he crashed the plane. The guy was hiding a medical condition that would have kept him from flying, and it cost 150 people their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
7Toes Posted March 27, 2015 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted March 27, 2015 another pussy taking people with him.also if a doc knows a pilot is sick he should be made to have the responsibility to call the company he works for to let them know he can not fly....they don't have to let the reason why known... NITRO, Logan and Sonovabich 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted March 27, 2015 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 14 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Well his employers already knew he had a history of depression they shouldn't have let him anywhere near a plane. Edited March 27, 2015 by Sonovabich P!nk, NITRO and Logan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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