Timmah! Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Share Posted October 22, 2021 ...guess he didn't learn from Brandon Lee's situation. major-mark63, MtDeW, Icequeen and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
major-mark63 Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2424 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1902 Achievement Points: 19137 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 05:41 PM Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 I donno why they are using real guns , replicas are so alike they should be use for safety FFS. KaptCrunch, rexbowan, Icequeen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
EastCoast50 Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 25026 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 109 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 530 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 1028 Achievement Points: 7124 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 09/13/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: 15 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, major-mark63 said: I donno why they are using real guns , replicas are so alike they should be use for safety FFS. From my experience, they DO use real guns on set. They are modified to eliminate the use of real ammunition and are supposed to be strictly handled under the supervision of an armorer. Regardless, blank rounds fired at close rounds can kill. rexbowan and major-mark63 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
major-mark63 Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2424 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1902 Achievement Points: 19137 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 05:41 PM Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 i think its not the way here in Quebec , but still special effect fire and explosion could be dangerous too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 First thing I learned when I was 7: 'A gun is always loaded.' Don't care what you call it, don't point one at anybody...unless... Icequeen, jointz, Merlin007 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4461 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3624 Achievement Points: 36460 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, EastCoast50 said: From my experience, they DO use real guns on set. They are modified to eliminate the use of real ammunition and are supposed to be strictly handled under the supervision of an armorer. Regardless, blank rounds fired at close rounds can kill. prime example...... murder she wrote, colombo TV shows had who dunit storys of this shot on set EastCoast50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Majbasil Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 6247 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 22 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 651 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 834 Achievement Points: 5477 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: 17 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 Guns suck. Now, off to play FPS jointz, major-mark63, Icequeen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmah! Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Majbasil said: Guns suck. Now, off to play FPS Irony intended? EastCoast50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TBB Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18130 Content Per Day: 3.47 Reputation: 20145 Achievement Points: 132862 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 263 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Sad loss for the victims. Think he s is a POS but I do feel for him - something no one should have to experience. Edited October 22, 2021 by TBB Icequeen and EastCoast50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, TBB said: Sad loss for the victims. Think he s is a POS but I do feel for him - something no one should have to experience. There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use. Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly. Will be interesting to see which it is. Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge. It is a terrible knowledge with which to live. Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired.. Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation. I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident. major-mark63 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shadow Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 7439 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 374 Achievement Points: 2543 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 03/21/1982 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 EastCoast50 and major-mark63 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4461 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3624 Achievement Points: 36460 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Timmah! said: There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use. Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly. Will be interesting to see which it is. Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge. It is a terrible knowledge with which to live. Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired.. Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation. I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident. this day and age no need for a real gun, can digitaly render a gun shot MM its a Female thing LoL she likes the shots but not extra family Edited October 22, 2021 by KaptCrunch major-mark63 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
EastCoast50 Posted October 22, 2021 Member ID: 25026 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 109 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 530 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 1028 Achievement Points: 7124 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 09/13/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: 15 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Timmah! said: There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use. Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly. Will be interesting to see which it is. Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge. It is a terrible knowledge with which to live. Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired.. Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation. I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident. Generally correct, except "squibs" have two different meanings related to movie production vs. firearms. First, a movie production squib is a loaded "bag" containing fake blood and a small explosive charge (or air compressed) placed upon/within a costume, glass or metal that is triggered remotely to give the appearance of a bullet hit. Second, for a firearm, a squib round is a bullet that has been fired from it's casing (shell), but gets lodged in the barrel due to a reduced powder load or related ammunition issue. Therefore, if another round is fired after after the squib load and hits the original round stuck in the barrel, the potential for a catastrophic malfunction exists (ie: the barrel bulges or explodes). Most movie guns are real firearms that have been modified to accept only blank rounds. Usually at the muzzle with adapters that modify the sound, flash and recoil (depending on the scene). Many are also modified at the chamber to prevent live (real) bullets from being loaded. However, a blank round CAN cause severe injury or death at close range. Just my two cents. Edited October 22, 2021 by EastCoast50 Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted October 23, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, EastCoast50 said: Second, for a firearm, a squib round is a bullet that has been fired from it's casing (shell), but gets lodged in the barrel due to a reduced powder load or related ammunition issue. Therefore, if another round is fired after after the squib load and hits the original round stuck in the barrel, the potential for a catastrophic malfunction exists (ie: the barrel bulges or explodes). This is to what I was referring vis a vis Brandon Lee. A round with the charge removed was fired from a prop gun, with the primer propelling the bullet partly up the barrel. It was not cleared before blanks were then loaded; the powder charge from the blank propelled the squib into Mr. Lee at pretty much the same force as a regular round, killing him. People though he was pranking when he fell. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-11-ca-22553-story.html Edited October 23, 2021 by Timmah! major-mark63, rexbowan and EastCoast50 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
NuTzOpaNts Posted October 24, 2021 Member ID: 27143 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 156 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 118 Achievement Points: 2166 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 11, 2023 Device: Windows Share Posted October 24, 2021 I was taught you aim off to the side of people, even when you use a toy plastic gun, for safety and respect. Just theater though, but I would have thought.....whatever I thought. Assuming materials flew in all directions? 2 people got hit, so maybe no one was aimed at? Tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast50 Posted October 24, 2021 Member ID: 25026 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 109 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 530 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 1028 Achievement Points: 7124 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 09/13/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: 15 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted October 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bullet person said: I was taught you aim off to the side of people, even when you use a toy plastic gun, for safety and respect. Just theater though, but I would have thought.....whatever I thought. Assuming materials flew in all directions? 2 people got hit, so maybe no one was aimed at? Tragic. Even using blanks on set, generally they are told to shoot slightly off and/or they have a clear plastic barrier in between the firearm, actors and production staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sven35i Posted October 25, 2021 Member ID: 25412 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 6 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 81 Achievement Points: 1175 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/29/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 05:03 PM Birthday: 11/02/1975 Device: Windows Share Posted October 25, 2021 now in the news the gun was loaded with sharp ( hot ) amo so not fake amo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
EastCoast50 Posted October 25, 2021 Member ID: 25026 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 109 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 530 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 1028 Achievement Points: 7124 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 9 Joined: 09/13/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: 15 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted October 25, 2021 jointz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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major-mark63 Posted October 26, 2021 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2424 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1902 Achievement Points: 19137 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 05:41 PM Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted October 26, 2021 I think its not the first controversy problem Alec is dipping , didnt he s been in sexually scandal or sort of in the past?? Icequeen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Icequeen Posted October 26, 2021 Member ID: 9264 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 89 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6094 Content Per Day: 1.52 Reputation: 7992 Achievement Points: 51448 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 54 Joined: 05/13/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 07/13/1981 Device: Android Share Posted October 26, 2021 So I've been watching this and I guess I'm just confused as to how he killed a camera person? Was he supposed to be shooting at another actor. ..or? Maybe I'm just not getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted October 26, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Icequeen said: So I've been watching this and I guess I'm just confused as to how he killed a camera person? Was he supposed to be shooting at another actor. ..or? Maybe I'm just not getting it. It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant. The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour. Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged. From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have. Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it. Edited October 26, 2021 by Timmah! Icequeen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TBB Posted October 26, 2021 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18130 Content Per Day: 3.47 Reputation: 20145 Achievement Points: 132862 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 263 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted October 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Timmah! said: It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant. The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour. Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged. From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have. Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it. One thing I always teach when conducting a class - ALWAYS check any firearm that is handed to you even if it has been checked - assume it is loaded and never point it at anything you don't intend to shoot or put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot - but of course the Hollywood elites who hate guns don't treat them with respect - just complain about the rest of us who handle them properly. Icequeen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted October 26, 2021 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 469 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5964 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10349 Achievement Points: 51030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 16 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Icequeen Posted October 27, 2021 Member ID: 9264 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 89 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6094 Content Per Day: 1.52 Reputation: 7992 Achievement Points: 51448 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 54 Joined: 05/13/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 07/13/1981 Device: Android Share Posted October 27, 2021 21 hours ago, Timmah! said: It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant. The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour. Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged. From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have. Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it. Wow! Thanks. That is terrible. I can't imagine how he feels but I agree. When dealing with a real gun you should always check. However, didn't it go through 2 other people to do that as well? I'm just confused how that got over looked by the first 2. But me myself personally I would have checked for my own peace of mind. With any gun. Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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