Bots or no bots in the Cod4x server

[VHS2]

Hey guys!
Some players were complaining about the bot mod when there are few people in game, preferring to play 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 than with/against bots. It should be taken in consideration, I think, since it can be interesting to play with few people when the server is not crowded. Besides, I don't think that it is a way to attract more players to fill the server with bots. I believe that they come when they are ready/available. Maybe, I am mistaking about that but I was asked to pass the message to senior admins. So, done!
Have a good afternoon/evening.

Edited Thursday at 12:06 AM by VHS2

[VHS2]

It seems that it is not a simple issue. It would be a good idea to have a Cod4x server with and another one without bots.  Don't know whether it's possible or not, or even feasible. But it would be a good way to see if there is enough traffic on the bot server.
The other day, I joined the game, and just after a player trigged a nuke. He had not enough kills to get it. So, I asked if it was a package. He answered no, I spawn killed the bots. Oops! The other players can't know since you can't see how many bots were killed by a player from the scoreboard. Anyway, spawn killing the bots is quite a different game than the one we played so far. 
I want to take this opportunity to thank iBoomboom and others who contributed to putting online the CoD4x server, which is really great

[Totty]

This was my response on the WhatsApp chat

There are people that come to the server when it is quiet to play with the bots. The server has populated earlier in the day because of the bots. I think that auto defrost should be disabled at the same time the bots are. 3v3 is probably the best time for it to happen in my view.

 

 

[Chris]

I'm seeing players in now at times that it is normally empty. This may be a very good thing.

[Totty]

we have had quite a lot of new players on our server since the Cod4x upgrade and the bots installed

 

[wingnut]

i like having the bots when its quiet, is there a way of them being more coordinated, they are a bit bad at defrosting unless you are in your own spawn

[wingnut]

Just now, wingnut said:

i like having the bots when its quiet, is there a way of them being more coordinated, they are a bit bad at defrosting unless you are in your own spawn

like the spawning for bots be a bit more varied

[wingnut]

1 minute ago, wingnut said:

like the spawning for bots be a bit more varied

that might solve the spawn killing of bots also

[Ruggerxi]

Updated the bots today

1. 24 bots now instead of 16

2. Bots go away after 7 real players join

3. Bots get out of spawn better now so they are not easily spawn killed

4. Added more taunting from the bots when they kill you 

5. Added auto defrost anytime bots are in the game 

Edited Thursday at 02:33 PM by Ruggerxi

[Smeggie]

As I mentioned in the WhatsApp thread:

I have actually enjoyed having the bots.  This generation of bots seem more 'intelligent'.  While slow to defrost, it eventually happens, and they also share some colorful banter to the game.

[Totty]

Thanks Rugger .

I enjoyed playing with them earlier.

They no longer stay in spawn.

They are a bit more brutal than before.

And they all leave when players reach 7, auto defrost also turns off at the point the bots leave.

Let's see how everyone gets on with this for a while

[NinjaBazZa]

Could you make the number 8 instead of 7 players when the bots can disappear.

[Sourtap]

Just make the bots dont count towards killstreak. The other day i had 3 nukes in 3 rounds just by botkilling. The match ended with the highest killing player only having 4 kills. So the kills dont count for the scoreboard but it does for the killstreaks. Doesnt make sense imo. To have it lowered down to when 7 or 8 players joined is a start, but imo they could be deleted all the way. Havent played yet with the new bot settings tho

[Totty]

8 minutes ago, Sourtap said:

Just make the bots dont count towards killstreak. The other day i had 3 nukes in 3 rounds just by botkilling. The match ended with the highest killing player only having 4 kills. So the kills dont count for the scoreboard but it does for the killstreaks. Doesnt make sense imo. To have it lowered down to when 7 or 8 players joined is a start, but imo they could be deleted all the way. Havent played yet with the new bot settings tho

You had the nukes with the new bot settings  yesterday 

[Dukoo]

The biggest issue i have with them bots is the way they have been setup because you HAVE to camp in order to get "Auto defrosted" by them, if you move out too much, ur fucked because they won't walk your direction, if the bots somehow have files to be tweaked i would definitly recommend that before removing them. If not, then put them in the trashbag but i am sure one of these AI's can create a way better options file for it if you give out the mod to it and ask it to tweak it. 

[Totty]

1 minute ago, Dukoo said:

The biggest issue i have with them bots is the way they have been setup because you HAVE to camp in order to get "Auto defrosted" by them, if you move out too much, ur fucked because they won't walk your direction, if the bots somehow have files to be tweaked i would definitly recommend that before removing them. If not, then put them in the trashbag but i am sure one of these AI's can create a way better options file for it if you give out the mod to it and ask it to tweak it. 

When the bots are on then auto defrost is also on. It takes about 30 seconds to be auto defrosted with no bot input

[Dukoo]

In that case i would make them more realistic towards human players. i am pretty sure these bots can do way better the way preform now. 

[iboomboom]

People. Note that the bots use precious CPU cycles. This is still an old game and it's single threaded. The smarter or more capable you make the bots the more give you away from the server's ability to run smoothly. 

Edited 10 hours ago by iboomboom

[Marshall]

Bots are good to have, but if we can use them smartly, that would be even better.

For reference, there’s a server called MemeBois OpenWarfare. They use bots when there are fewer than 10 players, but instead of following a fixed map rotation, they give players 6 map options to vote on.

The clever part is that the map size also depends on the number of online players, meaning fewer players get smaller maps to vote on, while more players get bigger maps. That keeps the gameplay more balanced and enjoyable.

How about we consider something similar for a future update? Bots + player voting + dynamic map sizes based on player count could work really well. Just an idea


https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/ow.memebois.co:28960/

[Sikon]

Sorry, it was my goal to nuke farm them when I realized they counted as killstreaks. I'm not a fan of bots personally and I would preferer not to play with them, but to each their own.. The server isn't about me. 

Is there a way to show on the mini map who is a real player frozen?  Or even in game itself? Maybe it doesn't matter since we self defrost, but feels helpful to know?

It rare, but a few bugs think I have seen:

1. Sometimes people are invincible. Real players. You can get a hit marker around 5-15 times without a kill. Not often though. 

2. Occasionally, explosives will not kill a player. Normally nades, but sometimes preds. When it's me trying to kill someone, I assume I missed, but I see it in overtime as a spectator too. Not often though. 

3: Sometimes when throwing more than one care pack. The second one will start.. then will disappear. Not from your killsreaks, but making you toss it again. 

 

I'm tired, that's all I can think of at the moment. lol 

And sorry, I will still farm the bots if they're there. 

 

 

[Blaze]

I only see it as an issue with few players on for two reasons...

The bots don't venture out of spawn so it just means everyone camps their own spawn and if you don't and get frozen, you won't get defrosted all round.

If you do get frozen out of defrost range of your spawncamping bot allies, the other team can just use your bots to build killstreak perks for the next round.

[wingnut]

i still think 2 spawn points for bots might work,as they often get stuck in the same house

[Wild Fire]

I like the idea of the bots. But this morning I was sniped over a great distance by a bot using a shotgun. Then he trashed talked me. I liked that part.

[Sharpe]

39 minutes ago, Wild Fire said:

I like the idea of the bots. But this morning I was sniped over a great distance by a bot using a shotgun. Then he trashed talked me. I liked that part.

The bot didn't happen to be called @RANDALL did it?