Fb.......time To Buy?

[Shamu]

Down around 19.00. May be some money to be made here if it has leveled off.

 

On the risky side how about a play on ALU, only 1.19 but an admittedly risky play.

 

Made a few bucks on NOK and bailed. Missed some additional profit there.

 

Also in CSCO at 19.85 which I have hope for.

 

Anyone else invest in the market?

 

So far a good year.

[Cavey]

It would be great if you spoke English! I'm always upFor making money.

[hxtr]

It would be great if you spoke English! I'm always upFor making money.

that's funny hahahaa

 

Wall Street is a huge ponzi scheme Cavey. Allows the rich to gamble on companies performance. A company like Facebook goes public and has an initial price offering.. or a price for the stocks. Then when it goes public buyers get their shares and they have to pay the price of the demand of the stock. If it goes up demand is high.. if it goes down money is lost and shows demand is low.

 

People that bought facebook at $38 dollars a share and now is $19 a share is a huge mount of money to lose. Talking about billions of dollars lost. He is considering placing a bet on Facebook as he is getting confidence that Facebooks stock will go up there winning that hand and cash in on Facebook profits. If facebook keeps going down which I am hoping then he will lose the difference from the price now to then. If it goes up he makes money from the price now to were it goes to. If you love the gamble.... this is your game.

 

I think it is wrong... I don't like it and it's cancer in our system... much like the FEDS.

 

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

[PingLo]

I think AAPL is undervalued, need to buy AAPL!

[hxtr]

I think AAPL is undervalued, need to buy AAPL!

your nutz.. fuck Apple.

[BUDMAN]

Wars = jobs ...thats why hxtr

[Frags]

I buy mostly mutal funds Shamu. I think FB is a piss poor investment. I give it about 2 years and it will be a penny stock. Of course there is money to be made if it goes up before it goes bust......

[BUDMAN]

In my opinion FB was a set up !!!!

[Shamu]

Of course there is money to be made if it goes up before it goes bust......

 

It's all about market timing.

 

I also have most of my monies in mutuals through Vanguard where I am a Flagship client. (Means I do not pay for stock trades.)

 

I have also ventured into ETF's, again with Vanguard. Helps pass the time of day since ETF's ( Exchange Traded Fund) move like stocks during the day as opposed to mutuals that change at market close.

 

And for those like Cavey who don't understand the language it's long past time to learn.

 

As for Hxtr, the market is not just for rich people, it's made for investors who are willing to make an educated guess. You want money when retirement comes along you best play the market even if it is conservatively. Believe me you do not need much to get started, you just need to start.

 

For anyone it is good advice to learn how to invest. You don't make money in a savings account, you make it by wise investing in the market and a responsible savings plan.

Edited August 22, 2012 by Shamu

[PigDog]

Of course there is money to be made if it goes up before it goes bust......

 

It's all about market timing.

 

I also have most of my monies in mutuals through Vanguard where I am a Flagship client. (Means I do not pay for stock trades.)

 

I have also ventured into ETF's, again with Vanguard. Helps pass the time of day since ETF's ( Exchange Traded Fund) move like stocks during the day as opposed to mutuals that change at market close.

 

And for those like Cavey who don't understand the language it's long past time to learn.

 

As for Hxtr, the market is not just for rich people, it's made for investors who are willing to make an educated guess. You want money when retirement comes along you best play the market even if it is conservatively. Believe me you do not need much to get started, you just need to start.

 

For anyone it is good advice to learn how to invest. You don't make money in a savings account, you make it by wise investing in the market and a responsible savings plan.

 

Agreed Shamu. I have to admit, I just sold my FB at a loss. don't ever buy something that you cannot afford to lose!! Sure it can be a gamble.....but I also agree with PingLo. I have held onto my AAPL stock. Just that alone will put my daughter through college!!

[Scrounger]

Are we rich yet?

[BUDMAN]

If that is so Pig ....lock it down now !!!!!! now is the time............................

[DramaLlama]

i recommend Ford. it is the most stable of the Big 3 US automakers. Ford got by with the least issues.

 

but everyone is right, stock market is dangerous. there are better ways to invest

[Shamu]

Stock Market is dangerous?????

 

Perhaps a better understanding is needed.

 

There is risk depending on how you invest, there is safety depending on how you invest.

 

Options are unlimited, individual stocks, mutual funds, ETF's, sector investing, bonds, CD's, precious metals, Gold, Silver, health care, real estate, etc. The investment options go on and on.

 

As the investor you need to educate yourself and then determine the level of risk at which you are comfortable.

 

But when all is said and done someone who learns about the market has a much better chance of improving themselves financially than those who don't.

 

And do not listen to stock recommendations on a forum like this. Learn to do your homework yourself or get a broker you trust.

Edited August 22, 2012 by Shamu

[Bogleg]

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

 

Hmm... I think you are onto something there. This expectation in publicly traded companies to constantly have increased revenue run rates year over year, which has led to record profits for corporations even during our global recession has been great for shareholders, but not employees.

 

I don't have any problem with greed personally. But if someone is a hard worker for you and helps you realize record profits, maybe you ought to share the love a little.

[Shamu]

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

 

I don't have any problem with greed personally. But if someone is a hard worker for you and helps you realize record profits, maybe you ought to share the love a little.

 

That's what the bonuses are for.

 

Of course when companies lose money and accept taxpayer assistance it makes it a little difficult to understand the bonuses still being given. :realmad:

[Shamu]

For those of you who wish to see how a portion of my monies go I will list my two most recent trades and everyone can see if I am a fool or not.

 

Hopefully it will not be better for me that I kept my mouth shut to save embarrassment.

 

Today: 8/22/2012

 

10,000 shares of ALU (Alcatel-Lucent, a French Company) at $1.21 per share for a total investment of $12,100.00

 

Last Monday: 8/20/2012

 

2,000 shares of CSCO (Cisco Systems) at 18.87 per share for a total investment of $37,740.00. Currently at $19.08 06 + $420.00.

 

ALU is a penny stock at very high risk. I could lose easily but hopefully it goes the other way. This is a true gamble.

 

CSCO is receiving very good reviews and seems to be a sound investment but only time will tell.

 

So now I sit back and watch with fingers crossed. Do understand I have spent much time looking at reviews of each stock. The choice to buy was mine alone.

 

Since I have been talking stocks I just thought would show a couple cards for public consumption, and hopefully not future embarrassment.

 

Sort of putting my money where my mouth is.............or typing fingers in this case.

 

Also if you cannot afford to lose, DO NOT GAMBLE!

 

And do not listen to hearsay and rumor. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

 

With ALU I know I am gambling but have accepted the risk that comes with it.

 

CSCO I feel is well thought out, we shall see.

[Ruggerxi]

Good Luck Shamu, hope you make millions!

[Shamu]

Good Luck Shamu, hope you make millions!

 

No intention of making millions, just hoping little ones grow into bigger ones.

 

And believe me ALU is high risk and I could lose a lot of what is invested.

 

Today has not been good to me.

 

Basically I just wanted to put my money where my mouth has been and let it be known just how foolish I may be.

[HarryWeezer]

It would be great if you spoke English! I'm always upFor making money.

that's funny hahahaa

 

Wall Street is a huge ponzi scheme Cavey. Allows the rich to gamble on companies performance. A company like Facebook goes public and has an initial price offering.. or a price for the stocks. Then when it goes public buyers get their shares and they have to pay the price of the demand of the stock. If it goes up demand is high.. if it goes down money is lost and shows demand is low.

 

People that bought facebook at $38 dollars a share and now is $19 a share is a huge mount of money to lose. Talking about billions of dollars lost. He is considering placing a bet on Facebook as he is getting confidence that Facebooks stock will go up there winning that hand and cash in on Facebook profits. If facebook keeps going down which I am hoping then he will lose the difference from the price now to then. If it goes up he makes money from the price now to were it goes to. If you love the gamble.... this is your game.

 

I think it is wrong... I don't like it and it's cancer in our system... much like the FEDS.

 

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

 

 

Some errors:

 

- "Wall Street is a huge ponzi scheme."

 

Wrong: a ponzi scheme is a fraud destined to collapse; in the past 100 years, the stock market has increased in value about 7,000 percent.

 

- "It's a cancer in our system."

 

Wrong: It IS our system; it's called free enterprise - it's what makes the country work.

 

- A company that goes public has to "keep growing... They can't just tay the same size or they will fail."

 

Wrong: Shareholders like profits to keep growing and profits can grow even as a company stays the same size due to increased sales, higher profit margins, etc.

[hxtr]

Stock Market is dangerous?????

 

Perhaps a better understanding is needed.

 

There is risk depending on how you invest, there is safety depending on how you invest.

 

Options are unlimited, individual stocks, mutual funds, ETF's, sector investing, bonds, CD's, precious metals, Gold, Silver, health care, real estate, etc. The investment options go on and on.

 

As the investor you need to educate yourself and then determine the level of risk at which you are comfortable.

 

But when all is said and done someone who learns about the market has a much better chance of improving themselves financially than those who don't.

 

And do not listen to stock recommendations on a forum like this. Learn to do your homework yourself or get a broker you trust.

yea the crash in 2008 did not hurt anyone. Just the people that lost all their money.

[hxtr]

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

 

I don't have any problem with greed personally. But if someone is a hard worker for you and helps you realize record profits, maybe you ought to share the love a little.

 

That's what the bonuses are for.

 

Of course when companies lose money and accept taxpayer assistance it makes it a little difficult to understand the bonuses still being given. :realmad:

Shamu the stock market causes jobs to go away or shipped overseas PERIOD!!!!!!!

 

When I call tech support for HP, Dell, Microsoft and many others... I talk to India. Nothing against India but these used to be US jobs.

 

When you buy a car rather make them here in the US we import the steel from Japan and all the parts are made from Mexico to China.

 

Walmart is caused countless small business owner to close their door.

 

Microsoft's drive to control the market made so many software companies to close their doors due to investors money.

 

Having worked for many Oil companies like Dynegy... you see what the drive is about. Stock price. When Dynegy's stock hit $50 a share Chuck Watson handed all of us a $50 dollar bill. Dynegy made a mock trading floor.. fake and all for show. They would bring clients in then get some traders to pretend to work just for show. We were spending money like drunken sailors. No offense Beers. If I wanted a server they asked what kind and when do you want it.

 

Then good old Enron... they were hiding for a very long time that they were out of money. But they kept showing huge profits through corruption until the bubble popped when Dynegy tried to buy them and seen their books were fucked then Dynegy backed out. Then Market crashes.. many people lost everything and we suffered big time and started to recover until 911. I had a friend at Enron that lost 7 million dollars.. gone over night. Execs could sell their stock but the employees ability to sell the stock was frozen.

 

Dynegy took over the First International Bank building now called Wells Fargo Building. They took all the floors from 25 to 72. I worked on the 64th floor. They wanted the upper floors so when they looked out the window they were looking down on Enron. Enron was bigger a the time and had dibs on pipelines. When I was left Dynegy they wanted to sell internet bandwidth like they did oil and gas. Fucking retarded.

 

Fuck these companies.. they are a bunch of children and their egos make them think they owned the world. They have caused so much damage to our lives and our economy. But the Stock Market is good. Fuck that.. it is pure evil.

 

And last but no least. I worked for Paranet for 4 years and we were private. We were rocking and making big money. I went form $37,500 to 72,000 a year plus overtime in 4 years. We go public selling our souls to Sprint (I fucking hate sprint) for 460 million. We could not even get discount with Sprint PCS. We lost all ability to make overtime. I went to a meeting with the CEO. He wanted selected people to have a round table. I got to the meeting pretty livid. I just got done working 90 hours a week preparing for Y2K for 3 months and then the said no more overtime and that it would be bonuses at the end of the year. I did not care what I said as I had my resignation in hand. They get to me and I start off about overtime. He gives a song and dance and I begin to debate him. He was clearly getting pissed.Then he cuts me off by telling me... "If you came here to make money.. you came to the wrong place". I said ok that fine... I got run, have a great day. I walk out go to my boss and quit... he was pissed I left... shocked the shit out of them. Then I went to work for Dynegy as an independent consultant making $80 dollars an hour. That pissed them way off. Was not long and Sprint Paranet was no more. They bought us just to take a small piece from us and killed the rest. They had no care for the employees.. it was all about making more and more money for the Stock Market.

 

Private companies is what it should be. Not no fucking Stock Market. If you invest you invest with that company not the Ponzi scheme method we have now.

 

But I glad it is easy money for you.

[hxtr]

It would be great if you spoke English! I'm always upFor making money.

that's funny hahahaa

 

Wall Street is a huge ponzi scheme Cavey. Allows the rich to gamble on companies performance. A company like Facebook goes public and has an initial price offering.. or a price for the stocks. Then when it goes public buyers get their shares and they have to pay the price of the demand of the stock. If it goes up demand is high.. if it goes down money is lost and shows demand is low.

 

People that bought facebook at $38 dollars a share and now is $19 a share is a huge mount of money to lose. Talking about billions of dollars lost. He is considering placing a bet on Facebook as he is getting confidence that Facebooks stock will go up there winning that hand and cash in on Facebook profits. If facebook keeps going down which I am hoping then he will lose the difference from the price now to then. If it goes up he makes money from the price now to were it goes to. If you love the gamble.... this is your game.

 

I think it is wrong... I don't like it and it's cancer in our system... much like the FEDS.

 

You know what happens to a company that goes public? They constantly have to keep growing and they have to make increasing amounts of money or they can go under or get bought out as their stock price keep dropping. They cant just stay the same size or they will fail.

 

This is why you see such large companies here in the US like Walmart that has killed small business and killed many jobs. Large business promote profound amounts of greed. This is why Wars are popular here. Big money to be made in Wars.

 

 

Some errors:

 

- "Wall Street is a huge ponzi scheme."

 

Wrong: a ponzi scheme is a fraud destined to collapse; in the past 100 years, the stock market has increased in value about 7,000 percent.

 

- "It's a cancer in our system."

 

Wrong: It IS our system; it's called free enterprise - it's what makes the country work.

 

- A company that goes public has to "keep growing... They can't just tay the same size or they will fail."

 

Wrong: Shareholders like profits to keep growing and profits can grow even as a company stays the same size due to increased sales, higher profit margins, etc.

free enterprise.. fuck that it is modern day slavery. Every company public I worked for it was all about more and more profits. Where have you worked Harry? This system is fucked up. Im no fan of greedy companies like Apple. Kill the competition just so we can make another buck. Fuck the masses as you see today. Send all the fucking jobs overseas. You think it is going to get better.. shit.. it will get much worse. Companies will make huge profits and the people in America will be working for McDonalds as them are the only jobs that will be available.

 

But if it works for you fine.. but no fucking way this is a good system. A good system is small business.. the only thing that really makes jobs in the USSA. Without them our system collapse.

 

If that is the system we should have then you will get what we deserve. A failed system in time.

[GhostHunter]

Someone told me long before that mankind was so proud of there faith that they decided to pay not without the comment:"In God we trust". The faith was so big that anyone (as Shamu said) could buy "papers" with a value about 100$ for only 10 bucks. The rest was covered by credits easily paid by bankers which had also there profits. But the people became the more and more greedy. And so some paranoid bankers lost there trust in mankind and they forced the whole USA to give 'em there gold to save the world. The only thing they had to left the insecured people was the "Trust".

I tried to trust then in different companies. But if I had not a minimum of some hundreds of thousands of Dollars they were not ready to give me a single paper. So I tried to trust FB. But I couldn't get any paper. Only for Zuckerberg and friends. And than I read also here in the posts that they can do everything with my datas. They got all the rights, all the money and I lost my trust.

For all who want to know, read "Modern Money Mechanics".

[DEEJAYKEG]

Hxtr, you can join my anarcho-syndicalist commune! You can even be Executive Officer of the Week ( as long as Rugger ratifies that!).