Alec Baldwin Killed Someone

[Timmah!]

...guess he didn't learn from Brandon Lee's situation.

[major-mark63]

I donno why they are using real guns , replicas are so alike they should be use for safety FFS.

[EastCoast50]

1 minute ago, major-mark63 said:

I donno why they are using real guns , replicas are so alike they should be use for safety FFS.

From my experience, they DO use real guns on set. They are modified to eliminate the use of real ammunition and are supposed to be strictly handled under the supervision of an armorer. Regardless, blank rounds fired at close rounds can kill. 

[major-mark63]

i think its not the way here in Quebec  , but still special effect fire and explosion could be dangerous too.

[Timmah!]

First thing I learned when I was 7: 'A gun is always loaded.'  Don't care what you call it, don't point one at anybody...unless...

[KaptCrunch]

6 hours ago, EastCoast50 said:

From my experience, they DO use real guns on set. They are modified to eliminate the use of real ammunition and are supposed to be strictly handled under the supervision of an armorer. Regardless, blank rounds fired at close rounds can kill. 

prime example...... murder she wrote, colombo TV shows had who dunit storys of this   shot on set 

[Majbasil]

Guns suck.  Now, off to play FPS   

[Timmah!]

1 hour ago, Majbasil said:

Guns suck.  Now, off to play FPS   

Irony intended?

[TBB]

Sad loss for the victims.   Think he s is a POS but I do feel for him - something no one should have to experience. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by TBB

[Timmah!]

8 minutes ago, TBB said:

Sad loss for the victims.   Think he s is a POS but I do feel for him - something no one should have to experience. 

There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use.  Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly.  Will be interesting to see which it is.  Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge.  It is a terrible knowledge with which to live.  Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired..  Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation.  I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident.

[Shadow]

[KaptCrunch]

5 hours ago, Timmah! said:

There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use.  Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly.  Will be interesting to see which it is.  Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge.  It is a terrible knowledge with which to live.  Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired..  Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation.  I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident.

this day and age no need for a real gun, can digitaly render a gun shot 

MM  its a Female thing LoL   she likes the shots but not extra family  

Edited October 22, 2021 by KaptCrunch

[EastCoast50]

5 hours ago, Timmah! said:

There are prop gun handling experts; usually LEO or retired LEO that is primarily if not solely responsible for ensuring the prop gun is safely given to the actor during the scene & who supervises its use.  Unless Baldwin went outside the parameters of given instruction, the only other possibility is the handler didn't do their job properly.  Will be interesting to see which it is.  Surely it's not another squib subsequently launched by a blank's charge.  It is a terrible knowledge with which to live.  Must have been some shrapnel from what I assume was 1 round fired..  Shouldn't anybody be in the line of fire, even if it's the photographer; just step to the side while the shot of the shot is aimed at the camera, if that's a facet of the situation.  I'm disturbed imagining the weight of killing another person, even by accident.

Generally correct, except "squibs" have two different meanings related to movie production vs. firearms.

First, a movie production squib is a loaded "bag" containing fake blood and a small explosive charge (or air compressed) placed upon/within a costume, glass or metal that is triggered remotely to give the appearance of a bullet hit.

Second, for a firearm, a squib round is a bullet that has been fired from it's casing (shell), but gets lodged in the barrel due to a reduced powder load or related ammunition issue. Therefore, if another round is fired after after the squib load and hits the original round stuck in the barrel, the potential for a catastrophic malfunction exists (ie: the barrel bulges or explodes).

Most movie guns are real firearms that have been modified to accept only blank rounds. Usually at the muzzle with adapters that modify the sound, flash and recoil (depending on the scene). Many are also modified at the chamber to prevent live (real) bullets from being loaded.

However, a blank round CAN cause severe injury or death at close range.

Just my two cents.   

Edited October 22, 2021 by EastCoast50

[Timmah!]

6 hours ago, EastCoast50 said:

 

Second, for a firearm, a squib round is a bullet that has been fired from it's casing (shell), but gets lodged in the barrel due to a reduced powder load or related ammunition issue. Therefore, if another round is fired after after the squib load and hits the original round stuck in the barrel, the potential for a catastrophic malfunction exists (ie: the barrel bulges or explodes).

 

This is to what I was referring vis a vis Brandon Lee.  A round with the charge removed was fired from a prop gun, with the primer propelling the bullet partly up the barrel.  It was not cleared before blanks were then loaded; the powder charge from the blank propelled the squib into Mr. Lee at pretty much the same force as a regular round, killing him.  People though he was pranking when he fell.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-11-ca-22553-story.html

Edited October 23, 2021 by Timmah!

[NuTzOpaNts]

I was taught you aim off to the side of people, even when you use a toy plastic gun, for safety and respect.   Just theater though, but I would have thought.....whatever I thought.

Assuming materials flew in all directions?  2 people got hit, so maybe no one was aimed at?

Tragic.

[EastCoast50]

27 minutes ago, Bullet person said:

I was taught you aim off to the side of people, even when you use a toy plastic gun, for safety and respect.   Just theater though, but I would have thought.....whatever I thought.

Assuming materials flew in all directions?  2 people got hit, so maybe no one was aimed at?

Tragic.

Even using blanks on set, generally they are told to shoot slightly off and/or they have a clear plastic barrier in between the firearm, actors and production staff. 

[Sven35i]

now in the news 

the gun was loaded with sharp ( hot ) amo 

so not fake amo

[EastCoast50]

[McGrim]

Baldwin Shirt 

[major-mark63]

I think its not the first controversy problem Alec is dipping , didnt he s been in sexually scandal or sort of in the past??

[Icequeen]

So I've been watching this and I guess I'm just confused as to how he killed a camera person? Was he supposed to be shooting at another actor.  ..or? Maybe I'm just not getting it.

[Timmah!]

34 minutes ago, Icequeen said:

So I've been watching this and I guess I'm just confused as to how he killed a camera person? Was he supposed to be shooting at another actor.  ..or? Maybe I'm just not getting it.

It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant.  The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour.  Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged.  From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have.  Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Timmah!

[TBB]

19 minutes ago, Timmah! said:

It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant.  The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour.  Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged.  From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have.  Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it.

One thing I always teach when conducting a class - ALWAYS check any firearm that is handed to you even if it has been checked - assume it is loaded and never point it at anything you don't intend to shoot or put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot - but of course the Hollywood elites who hate guns don't treat them with respect - just complain about the rest of us who handle them properly.

[Timmah!]

[Icequeen]

21 hours ago, Timmah! said:

It was a low-budget movie; the well-qualified gun handler declined the job because they wouldn't provide for a second assistant.  The guy who they did hire had a history of negligent, dangerous behaviour.  Alec Baldwin was demonstrating how he was going to draw the gun for the scene & it accidentally discharged.  From what I hear, it had a live round in it or something else dangerous loaded when it shouldn't have.  Although the handler is responsible for the safe use of a prop gun, I would consider Baldwin partially responsible, because it's, in my opinion, a person's responsibility to personally check a firearm before handling it.

Wow! Thanks. That is terrible. I can't imagine how he feels but I agree. When dealing with a real gun you should always check. However, didn't it go through 2 other people to do that as well? I'm just confused how that got over looked by the first 2. But me myself personally I would have checked for my own peace of mind. With any gun.