Heartfelt thoughts for the people of the Ukraine

[lTplkey336]

1 hour ago, Yoshi said:

Once the EU and America stop buying Russian oil and gas ... then we will know it is all Putin.  Until then, we have to look at our own leaders and wonder if ...

As far as I know I dont think the US gets oil from Russia and I know for a fact that the US doesnt import natural gas from Russia as we have an abundance of it here.

[lTplkey336]

I also thought this thread is about the Ukrainian people of whom my thoughts and prayers are with them.

[Timmah!]

Thing is, this is nothing new; faaar from it;  Russia has been waging a campaign of aggression, oppression & ethnic cleansing against Ukraine for about 1,000 years.  This includes Catherine The Great shipping Russians to Ukraine, ordering the Russian language taught, banning the Ukraine language in Ukraine... then Stalin relocating Tatars, replacing them with Russians & even going so far as to engineer a famine to kill Ukranians in the region to make room for the transplanted Russians.  It's no wonder the vast majority of Ukranians see Russia for what it is & has been for centuries:  a murderous state bent on eliminating & assimilating the Ukrainian People & their culture.  Putin's like the fucking Borg from the Star Trek franchise.

[Power!]

Senior soldier of the 28th Separate Mechanized Brigade Yuriy Gorodetsky performs the song "BROTHERS UKRAINIANS". Glory to Ukraine and its Warriors!

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Power!

[Power!]

[Power!]

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Edited March 1, 2022 by Power!

[TheCheeseyCrusader]

[loaderXI]

On 2/26/2022 at 10:16 PM, lTplkey336 said:

As far as I know I dont think the US gets oil from Russia and I know for a fact that the US doesnt import natural gas from Russia as we have an abundance of it here.

You would be wrong...The fact is we have been buying more oil from Russia and at the same time we have become more dependent

 https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M 

[PimpedOutPete]

I am not sure why the US even bothers to import oil from Russia for its such a small insignificant amount 12,000 barrels a day. It imports 150,000 barrels a day from Canada. 

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUSCA1&f=M

[Phoenix911]

10 hours ago, loaderXI said:

You would be wrong...The fact is we have been buying more oil from Russia and at the same time we have become more dependent

 https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M 

We're becoming more dependent on Russia for Oil? We imported less than 7% of our oil from Russia in 2020. Yes, the amount has increased slightly the last couple of years, but to say our 'dependency' is increasing is just misleading. 

 

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports (eia.gov)

[Timmah!]

19 minutes ago, Phoenix911 said:

We're becoming more dependent on Russia for Oil? We imported less than 7% of our oil from Russia in 2020. Yes, the amount has increased slightly the last couple of years, but to say our 'dependency' is increasing is just misleading. 

 

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports (eia.gov)

Yeah, we still have the northern shale fields; more expensive, but still there if we need it.

[Axe]

33 minutes ago, Timmah! said:

Yeah, we still have the northern shale fields; more expensive, but still there if we need it.

You still have all the Oil in Canada ... and we'd love to sell it to ya!  If only there was some safe reliable way to transport it south ... 

Oh well.  I'm sure the 8% you get from Russia will never help fund their war and those tankers never have accidents.

[Timmah!]

Invading a country & occupying it are two different things; Putin's popularity will quickly plummet as guerilla warfare will start sending Russian sons home to their mothers.  And all Russia is nowadays is basically a gas station; if he can't sell it, the economy further plummets.  2/3 of its exports are petroleum related.  Most he seems to be aiming for is a door-in-the-face ploy; where he threatens the capitol & then offers to withdraw to the Donbas....or so it would seem.

[Axe]

10 hours ago, Timmah! said:

 a door-in-the-face ploy; where he threatens the capitol & then offers to withdraw to the Donbas....or so it would seem.

Not a bad strategy if that is his objective ...

He has said repeatedly that he wants is to get NATO away from his back door.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Axe

[NuTzOpaNts]

I can't just go there and pick up a rifle, so I'm typing here.

Things aren't always what they seem.  I do believe money drives the majority of insanity.

Some of the insane may be controlled by others that want money.

I feel it is important to maintain good thoughts and help from "wherever" by...

just going there and picking up a ri......making smart decisions.  Realizing we are one world.   Siding with all of humanity.

On a daily basis we just want to be happy in our pursuits.   

I'm really confused, but want more from me.   This attack on fellow humans across the world humbles me and makes me more inclined to assist others in need.

"That's my mom's favorite piece."  -Mikey (from the Goonies)

[Timmah!]

36 minutes ago, Axe said:

Not a bad strategy if that is his objective ...

He has said repeatedly that he wants is to get the UN away from his back door.

It's part of a wider strategy: Get the Ukrainian government to agree to the Minsk protocol-recognizing the pro-russian puppet governments & 'autonomy' of Donbass from Ukraine-which will lead to mass protests by the Ukrainian people; then initiate a false flag attack on the seat of government in Kyiv by russian forces; then send in regular forces to 'save' & occupy the Capitol.  He's tried this twice already in the past 20 years or so.  Then partition the country....he's hoping 3rd time's a charm.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Timmah!

[NuTzOpaNts]

1 hour ago, Timmah! said:

It's part of a wider strategy: Get the Ukrainian government to agree to the Minsk protocol-recognizing the pro-russian puppet governments & 'autonomy' of Donbass from Ukraine-which will lead to mass protests by the Ukrainian people; then initiate a false flag attack on the seat of government in Kyiv by russian forces; then send in regular forces to 'save' & occupy the Capitol.  He's tried this twice already in the past 20 years or so.  Then partition the country....he's hoping 3rd time's a charm.

No offense angel, but that's a harsh bet.  3rd time is with MUCH more tech involved and nobody gets away with anything these days. I think the ending would be more...definitive...if 3rd time is a "charm" in this particular situation.

[Power!]

my heart breaks when I read this news, I know a lot of Ukrainian people who have been living in Poland for years.

Pictures from Ukraine https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/

 

[coolmd]

What I fail to understand is by taking Ukraine he brings his borders closer to NATO countries.....so not alot of Logic from Mr Putin......lets hope he has a swift ending to his life and soon would be good

 

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[Axe]

5 hours ago, coolmd said:

What I fail to understand is by taking Ukraine he brings his borders closer to NATO countries.....so not alot of Logic from Mr Putin......lets hope he has a swift ending to his life and soon would be good

 

He does not want the whole of the Ukraine.  As Tim noted, he's been working on this for years.  He believes he is liberating the 'Russian' people in Eastern Ukraine who have been shelled repeatedly by Western Ukraine for 8 yrs now.  (Read this: https://by-julietbonnay.com/2021/06/seven-years-of-bombing-in-eastern-ukraine-anna-tuv-interview/).  This accomplishes two things:  defends people who believe they are Russian and not Ukrainian ... and gives him the buffer he wants from Western Ukraine and NATO.

This is why he recognized the Eastern Provinces as 'break-away' republics, allowing him to move in and 'liberate' them from Western Ukraine. 

If the west keeps sticking it's nose into their mess, we will end up with WW3.  While it's terrible that innocent people are caught in the middle of this struggle for landmass, it won't be solved by the west going in there and dropping bombs.

[coolmd]

I now understand alittle more but is Nato really a threat to RUSSIA when we all know NUKES will finish the world.  And I have never thought the West should stick the Oar in as recent and past history tell us that we never get it right.

[J3st3r]

7 hours ago. The city of Bucha just to the North West of Kyiv was completely liberated from the Russians! 

 

Small step but that area was hit very hard and Ukrainians pushed them back.

 

New drone footage of a town just NW of Bucha.  

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by J3st3r

[Sammy]

The problem for Putin is that Ukraine has no reason to give up any territory now that it has the backing of every NATO nation as well as the United States to support it with anything it needs short of military forces. Besides, I am sure Ukraine knows that the west can do much much more putting on the economic, supply and financial squeeze while they fight back. That said, Ukraine might throw him those pro-Russian areas with the Putin backed insurgencies anyway since they are a pretty big headache. *If* Putin breaks out his wallet and pays up for all the damage he has done the last week and then some. And not in Rubles.

[Timmah!]

24 minutes ago, Sammy said:

The problem for Putin is that Ukraine has no reason to give up any territory now that it has the backing of every NATO nation as well as the United States to support it with anything it needs short of military forces. Besides, I am sure Ukraine knows that the west can do much much more putting on the economic, supply and financial squeeze while they fight back. That said, Ukraine might throw him those pro-Russian areas with the Putin backed insurgencies anyway since they are a pretty big headache. *If* Putin breaks out his wallet and pays up for all the damage he has done the last week and then some. And not in Rubles.

I don't think the Ukraninian people will stand for allowing the eastern provinces to become independent.  Additionally, there is then the consideration of Transnistria on the western border of Ukraine, located in Eastern Moldova....it's officially part of Moldova, but in name only....the people all along that border are autonomous, having their own government, currency & warriors...most of it's inhabitants define as Russian, & there's at least a couple thousand Russian troops in that area.  It's something to keep an eye on; especially considering it's geographical location vis a vis this conflict.  & it'd be even more of a buffer, with Russian loyalists...it's already a Russian-friendly staging ground, & a not-unlikely spot for attacking Ukraine from its Western flank.

Edited March 3, 2022 by Timmah!