"That asshole Trudeau..."

[HarryWeezer]

Dick Nixon was referring to Justin's father when he said "that asshole Trudeau" but as with the father, so with the son. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau (a distant cousin, to my regret) announced Monday that his government is introducing legislation to "implement a national freeze on handgun ownership" throughout the country. About 55,000 new handguns have been registered annually in Canada per year over the last decade.

If you're an American citizen, be thankful we live in the U.S. and the Second Amendment is still in effect. For our Canadian members and friends, deepest sympathy.
 

[Hunter1948]

All I can say is I agree Harry. He keeps punishing legal gun owners  with gun laws. People have been saying all a long the criminals won't listen to their rules.

[KaptCrunch]

Can't fix Stupid   gun laws are made not for safety only money

Edited May 31, 2022 by KaptCrunch
eer can't fix GREED

[PimpedOutPete]

Good subject Harry and there is certainly a lot to discussion about gun laws in this country. The vast majority of this nation believe in strong meaningful gun laws. This nation has shown it does not have the stomach for mass shooting like what happened in Nova Scotia last year and École Polytechnique massacre in 1989.

I for one am not in favor of a full on ban on handguns. New gun control legislation the federal government tabled today includes a national freeze on the purchase, sale, importation and transfer of handguns in Canada.

What I do like about the law is they included increasing criminal penalties for smuggling and trafficking of firearms, and a "red flag" law which would require people deemed a threat to themselves or others to turn in their firearms or have them removed by law enforcement.

Also included was a number of people would be exempt from the handgun restrictions, including elite sport shooters and those with authorization to carry, such as valuable goods carriers.

What it falls short is getting to the root cause of gun violence in our cities: illegal guns smuggled into Canada by criminal gangs. 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadians-favour-stricter-gun-control-mandatory-buyback-of-banned-firearms-poll-1.5368354?cache=ftdpqpcfvtwjihs

 

[PimpedOutPete]

5 hours ago, KaptCrunch said:

Can't fix Stupid   gun laws are made not for safety only money

Crunch! What are you talking about? Do you live in a major city where gun violence is dramatically increasing in Canada. I haven’t seem many but I have done imaging on a patient with a gun wound, they are not pretty. 

[TheLastColdBeer]

Look at what they're pulling off while we're armed. Could you imagine what's going to happen if they manage to strip us of 2A?

https://www.wowktv.com/news/local/charleston-police-shooting-victim-pulled-assault-rifle-on-party/

BTW, that never made MSNBC's radar screen. Wrong race of perp, felon with gun stopped in his tracks by a female. No innocents harmed.

[Labob]

Ya do not need a pistol of any kind in Canada. In the US of A ya need to be fully armed at all times. Your children in the States need a swat escort between classes. In Canada we do not.   In Canada were still a safe country. I'm happy that pistols are going to disapear over the many years it takes to happen. I do not want my grand kids to go to a locked down intitution to get an education. This is how you stop something before it gets to the point of no return . Unlike  like the US of A where it is sadly way to late .   

 And yes I know the criminals will still have guns. So now the cops will know there criminals by the precence of the gun. 

[major-mark63]

One shit things politicians i think they ignore and simply they put stupid laws to calm electors opinion,

that over 90 % crimes with firearms in Canada are made with illegal guns so what a difference these laws will make ..

only a pain for sporting and hunting shooters too bad....

[MikeB]

56 minutes ago, Labob said:

 And yes I know the criminals will still have guns. So now the cops will know there criminals by the precence of the gun. 

And what do you say to the family of those killed by these criminals ?   "Sorry, the death of your loved one is a price we pay for not being able to defend ourselves"      

[Labob]

27 minutes ago, MikeB said:

And what do you say to the family of those killed by these criminals ?   "Sorry, the death of your loved one is a price we pay for not being able to defend ourselves"

You say how very sorry you are for there loss and the pain they feel . But we are doing everything possible to stop this. Its going to be slow and take a long time but we will get the firearms out of our country and away from the crimminals.  

 And really how many Canadians do you think are qualified to fire a weapon let alone capable of killing a crimminal ?  Not worth that amount of stolen weapons getting into the hands of the criminals. And I am only speaking for Canadains here in the US of A its a totaslly differnt story. We have time to save ourselves. You guys do not.

[MikeB]

4 hours ago, Labob said:

You say how very sorry you are for there loss and the pain they feel . But we are doing everything possible to stop this. Its going to be slow and take a long time but we will get the firearms out of our country and away from the crimminals.  

 And really how many Canadians do you think are qualified to fire a weapon let alone capable of killing a crimminal ?  Not worth that amount of stolen weapons getting into the hands of the criminals. And I am only speaking for Canadains here in the US of A its a totaslly differnt story. We have time to save ourselves. You guys do not.

I hope you or a family member are never a victim.  Cause if their death could have been prevented by them defending themselves, I suspect your "tune" would change.   Those of us with common sense know, getting rid of handguns will not change a damn thing.  Take away the guns and they will use whatever they can find to kill.   But hey, I respect anyone's decision to not defend themselves and or their loved ones.  Just dont count on my gun carrying ass to save you       Your choice to be preyed on.   Remember its better to own a gun and not need it, then to need a gun and not have one.  

[Hunter1948]

[Labob]

Criminals will always break the law its what make them criminals. What the goverment in canada is trying to do is reduce the amount of weapons that get used by criminals.. now we know very very few actually make them. So in canada they smuggle them in from other country's. And the steal them. So this is just a small step in reducing gun violence. Need a pistol to shoot at targets they have lots at the range. You can even own one just keep it at the range. Personally if you get one of your pistols stolen and it gets used in a crime I think your an assesory to that crime and shoul have to go thru court.  People will be people and lose there guns always. Crooks will be crooks and steal those guns. No guns to steal no crime. Now how do we stop all those stolen American guns from killing Canadians

[tsw 8.5]

Labob..      Its going to be slow and take a long time but we will get the firearms out of our country and away from the crimminals.   .

you need to understand you will never get all the guns from the criminals. that won't happen here and it won't happen there ..

[KaptCrunch]

Not worth that amount of stolen weapons getting into the hands of the criminals.

news flash thier is a stolen weapon but maybe a stolen ID and criminal is buying in the states and bring it across boarder an sell it for $400 in the 90's with serial # gronded off  out numbers the stolen. 

you know thier is  technology  to track guns  but no one is implementing it for the blood money will tell who is the crook, gotta keep the liers and undertakers busy 

[KaptCrunch]

40 minutes ago, Labob said:

Criminals will always break the law its what make them criminals. . Now how do we stop all those stolen American guns from killing Canadians

the criminals are the law markers  labob ....... accessories to loss of life 

As Harry's post on mass killings show they do squat about it 

stop blowing smoke labob  and law makers, action speak louder than words 

Labob  install Xray machines at boarder crossings, funny their in airports  to prevent a gun  on a plane 

Edited June 1, 2022 by KaptCrunch
forgot about BOX CUTTERS too

[PimpedOutPete]

Guys, we are talking apples and oranges. Gun culture in this nation is drastically different than in the US. Any attempt to make comparisons is futile.

Canadian gun laws are complicated, dividing firearms into categories with requirements including registration, permits, training courses and exams for all allowed weapons. First-time owners must also fill out a survey that asks about mental health and criminal record. There is a background check and mandatory 28-day waiting period. Canada also has no law or constitutional provision guaranteeing the right to bear arms.

Those measures didn’t spare the country from tragic gun deaths in the years to come and before as seen at Ecole Polytechnique in 1989.

People might say that Canada has lost her innocence now, that she is a different place. The reality is that Canada is open to the same kind of hate that exists anywhere else; we’re just more polite when we voice our outrage.

The difference Mike is this nation is not going to sit on her lorals and watch as innocent people are mowed down senselessly. We are not going to stand and watch our politicians sit back and do absolutely nothing. 

You may think we are being prayed apon but remember that is your prospective from your own life experiences. It’s an entirely different world here and we are merely hundred of miles away from you.

People always put it in prospective of personal Freedoms. Well, I can take my grandson to school knowing he will come home that evening. That the chances are almost zero that he will not from a random person who wishes to kill the innocent with a weapon that’s sole purpose is to do as much damage as fast as possible. That’s freedom! That my loved ones have a best chance of not being caught in a crossfire and if we can make that possibility even less, then I’m all for it.

I want every dam gun off the street and the perps who use guns in violent crime be thrown in jail to rot. If gun enthusiast need to jump through a few more hoops well so be it. 

If this nations population wish to be actionary about gun laws then so be it. It is a lot less painful then to be reactionary and do absolutely nothing after a mass shooting like in Uvalde, Texas.

[YACCster]

Canadian province will decriminalize cocaine and MDMA for THREE YEARS to free up police amid an overdose crisis: Move comes just one day after Trudeau's ban on handgun sales was proposed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872439/Canada-temporarily-decriminalize-certain-drugs-BC.html

Let’s see, drug the population, if you have ‘wrong think’ you’re assets are frozen, and you will be disarmed. There’s a book like that. 

[KaptCrunch]

2 hours ago, YACCster said:

Canadian province will decriminalize cocaine and MDMA for THREE YEARS to free up police amid an overdose crisis: Move comes just one day after Trudeau's ban on handgun sales was proposed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872439/Canada-temporarily-decriminalize-certain-drugs-BC.html

Let’s see, drug the population, if you have ‘wrong think’ you’re assets are frozen, and you will be disarmed. There’s a book like that. 

more like a coffin of the OD'ers and the black market regain profits 

Edited June 1, 2022 by KaptCrunch

[Labob]

12 hours ago, tsw 8.5 said:

you need to understand you will never get all the guns from the criminals. that won't happen here and it won't happen there ..

Absolutely agree the numbers are to large. But what your not getting is one gun gone one life saved by doing something positive to stop gun violence is worth it. It is not a waste of time. Up here in your attic your right to own a gun dies not Trump somebody's right to feel safe going outside.  I agree that it is our goverment duty to find a fair line to achieve both. And I feel it's the goverments job to accomplish that task not argue about it endlessly but to actually do something about it. Our goverment just made a move. Good for them that is a goverment doing there job. 

[TedsofBeverlyHills]

Here's a really crazy thought, why not make a mandatory prison sentence of 7 years or  whatever the real experts determine, a sentence which could have a very meaningful deterrent. For anyone who's commits a crime period with a weapon  that has the ability to cause serious bodily injury. Like a gun, knife, baseball bat, hammer/axe etc.  Punish the criminal and not the honest citizen and if a death happens during the crime with a weapon life without parole  

[Hunter1948]

1 hour ago, TedsofBeverlyHills said:

Here's a really crazy thought, why not make a mandatory prison sentence of 7 years or  whatever the real experts determine, a sentence which could have a very meaningful deterrent. For anyone who's commits a crime period with a weapon  that has the ability to cause serious bodily injury. Like a gun, knife, baseball bat, hammer/axe etc.  Punish the criminal and not the honest citizen and if a death happens during the crime with a weapon life without parole  

You are so right but here in Canada thugs who commit crime with a gun are on the streets with in a day or two. This law is punishing legal gun owners and they don't come down hard enough on criminals.

[PimpedOutPete]

That is a great start Ted, for it certainly goes after the criminals who use these weapons in violent crimes. I am very much in favor of our government going after and including an increase in criminal penalties for smuggling and perps who trafficking in firearms.

My only issue is these laws would not have prevented Sandy Hook, Uvalde or many other mass shooting that used assault style weapons. Now I am not saying there should be an all out ban on these weapon for gun enthusiast have been using these weapon for years. My thoughts are if you wish to purchase this style of weapon, you must go through a very in-depth registration, mental health and criminal check. 

These are weapons that are designed for maximize destruction at an extremely lethal speed. With that privilege comes the highest responsibility in gun ownership. 

[MikeB]

I just wish idiots would stop referring that the AR15 is an "Assault Rifle".  AR does not stand for "Assault Rifle".   And rifles based on the AR15 lower receiver design, come in many calibers, including shotguns.  So to ban a weapon based on looks is asinine.  But I do agree the application process for any weapon should be an in depth process.  I hold a couple different type of firearms license and the process for them was way, way, more stringent than just buying an over the counter gun.  Im talking, fingerprints, registering with the local sheriffs department, and a wait of several months for the detailed background check to get processed.  But..... thats for law abiding owners.  Criminals dont buy through local gun dealers.    In my neck of the woods every weekend there is a gun auction,  or an estate auction with guns going on.  No background checks at these events.  So this debate is pretty much a mute subject.

[TheLastColdBeer]

I wish people that know nothing about firearms (or rights, for that matter) would quit posting nonsense. Ignorance can be repaired, but stupid is DNA deep. Assault rifle is just a catch phrase used by knee jerkers. it gives them a feel good righteous label to tag something. Armalite was the name of the company that Stoner started.