Jonny Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 2570 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 197 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 1170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 3, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Hi all! I'm posting the question here because of the limited number of letters in the question field: Terrorists hijacked a fully occupied passenger plane and threaten to do a terrorist attack. Would you as the head of state give the order to shoot it down and kill the innocents inside? Or would you decide not to give that order and to permit a potential terrorist attack? Please keep in mind, whether the state should be allowed to decide on life or death. Thank you all for helping me with that. cheers, Jonny PS: I'm writing a term paper about dilemmas at the moment and would like to have some international feedback to this question. It would be cool if I could get as many votes as possible Edited June 29, 2012 by ROCKAPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
deerejon Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30 Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 To what end do you pose this question?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jonny Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 2570 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 197 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 1170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) I'm writing a term paper about dilemmas at the moment and would like to have some international feedback to this question sry, should have mentioned it, I added it to my first post Edited June 28, 2012 by Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Tball Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 112 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1132 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 228 Achievement Points: 6975 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 3, 2015 Birthday: 10/09/1960 Share Posted June 28, 2012 To many variables and you are not providing enough data to make a call like that its not just black and white RooflessKilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 2570 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 197 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 1170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 I know it's hard to answere and there are many aspects influencing the decission. It would just interest me, what people's first decission would be, if it came to a sitiuation in which they had to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TheCheeseyCrusader Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 88 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 248 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3488 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 1848 Achievement Points: 22934 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/13/1991 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 send in chuck norris RooflessKilla, Fire, ChknFngr and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Warface Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 490 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 446 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 350 Achievement Points: 3309 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2023 Birthday: 04/25/1973 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 Have to let it ride out,you cant kill innocent people on the assumption something worse will happen,unless you have intel on the terrorists actual plan of an actual place where they plan on attacking. pancakes, Cpt.TennealXI, QueenCobra and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cavey Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 92 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2241 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 606 Achievement Points: 13358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 06/09/1977 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Have to let it ride out,you cant kill innocent people on the assumption something worse will happen,unless you have intel on the terrorists actual plan of an actual place where they plan on attacking. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBB Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 270 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18259 Content Per Day: 3.47 Reputation: 20321 Achievement Points: 133800 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 272 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 Agree with Warface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CobraBites Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted June 28, 2012 nice answer warface i totally agree....btw send in steven segal lol coolmd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8280 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53721 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Share Posted June 28, 2012 Chuck norris uses Segal for cereal and Bruce lee as the chop sticks to eat said segal flakes . And everybody has a 200 mile limit assuming they cross it palne goes boom when its safe to make it go boom. The many is more important. coolmd, RooflessKilla, TheCheeseyCrusader and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
shooter Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 459 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 23 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 401 Achievement Points: 5416 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 29, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2012 just send the inglorious bastards and they will save the world! Inglorious Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharticus Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 1320 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 611 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 357 Achievement Points: 4498 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2020 Birthday: 01/14/1976 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Good question. I think I would let it play out. I don't like the idea of a government official having life or death decisions in their hands. But it does pose a real dilemma. Makes me question whether it's ok to quarantine the uninfected with the infected if an outbreak of Ebola occurred in the States. ...but if the all the passengers on the plane were carrying guns we wouldn't have to ask this question. Edited June 28, 2012 by Pharticus Jonny, Fire, 1lost1 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
7Toes Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted June 28, 2012 say there is 100 on plane but potential for thousands to be killed have to choose the 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SCooBY>XI< Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 3233 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 15 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 334 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 40 Achievement Points: 2030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/23/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 28, 2013 Birthday: 04/09/1967 Share Posted June 28, 2012 would need a lil bit more data pls ---if its on american soil ,/airspace we do NOT negotiate with terrorists so thats simple , teams would be sent in to take them down , with minimal if any civilian casualties if possible -- its a tough spot to be in , had the plane been shot down on 911 it would have saved the people on the ground , however lives in the air would still have been lost.(and were in one of the hijacked planes ) if such variables as bio agents or nuclear agents that could potentially kill/harm hundreds of thousands of people are confirmed active and in control of said terrorists you can bet your money safely that the order would be to vaporize them out of the air (hopefully away from heavily populated areas ) and then massive resources used to manipulate or suppress the media coverage on it . Long and short of it , man am i glad I am not the one to have to make that kind of decision anymore lol BigPapaDean and Jonny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 607 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 75 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3344 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 2643 Achievement Points: 33825 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/21/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 11 hours ago Birthday: 09/16/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well I voted to shoot it down...... The reason for this is firstly these people have taken the risk to Hijack the plane so its not an Idle threat, they are armed and dangerous. Secondly after 9/11 they will know there is no way any western country will negotiate with them and any response will be leathal so they have nothing to lose. So unfortunately the needs of the few will take second to the safety of the whole.. Now moraly it is the wrong decision but logically with the political issues as well it the only decision... Jonny and Fire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted June 28, 2012 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.15 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted June 28, 2012 blow the fucker out of the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted June 29, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8280 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53721 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Share Posted June 29, 2012 Was there not 1 plane in 911 tha took it's self out ? piolts fly it into the ground or something. Folks in the plane know whats what when the shits going to go down. Pharticus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WiZiD Posted June 29, 2012 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Was there not 1 plane in 911 tha took it's self out ? piolts fly it into the ground or something. Folks in the plane know whats what when the shits going to go down. Yes there was one plane that the passengers crashed it before it got to the target....now thats heroic.... Mercy, sabreeyes, coolmd and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
dayton Posted June 29, 2012 Member ID: 2264 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 36 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 493 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 125 Achievement Points: 3997 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2020 Birthday: 05/03/1979 Share Posted June 29, 2012 hmmmmmm. the states are in america...america police's the air. so the states dont have a dog in this fight. if i wanna shoot down a plane over ohio, ohio can't say no. they have no jurisdiction on the airspace above them. thats faa airspace, it all is. as far as shooting down the plane......yes. and this is someone that doesn't believe in capitol punishment but when you can hit a stadium or nuclear power plant or a dam or a preschool then i say defend the country. tricky question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaderXI Posted June 29, 2012 Member ID: 252 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 71 Topic Count: 392 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 6420 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 6496 Achievement Points: 54364 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 30 Joined: 09/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 7 hours ago Birthday: 03/22/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted June 29, 2012 If I were on board and there was for sure a attack I would say shoot it down but I would die trying to run the fucker in the ground myself.... In the USA that plane would have missile escorts compliments of USAF and would have said escorts with in minutes and if the threat was real I believe the order to dispatch would be given with out a thought Jonny and 1lost1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damage_inc- Posted July 1, 2012 Member ID: 2048 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 294 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 6689 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 4709 Achievement Points: 48999 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/15/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted July 1, 2012 this would be an impossible situation nowadays..we have the patriot act to protect us and take away freedoms we previously had before /air marshals in the sky all covertnshit /tsa screening to feel up our little children and grandparents...homeland security in every street corner... another question pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jonny Posted July 1, 2012 Member ID: 2570 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 197 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 1170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 Hi all, thank you for all your statements about this question, I'm sure I can use some of them to quote in my term paper. Unfortunately someone removed my poll even though I had the permission by rugger..... so please keep on telling me your thoughts about this situation thank you for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
GhostfaceJim Posted July 1, 2012 Member ID: 2314 Group: ++ Conan Exiles Admin Followers: 32 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 20717 Content Per Day: 4.30 Reputation: 5314 Achievement Points: 113891 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 50 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 10 hours ago Birthday: 04/22/1975 Device: Windows Share Posted July 1, 2012 Send in Dolf Lundgren!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cavey Posted July 1, 2012 Member ID: 92 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2241 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 606 Achievement Points: 13358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 06/09/1977 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Send in Dolf Lundgren!! I think he asked for sensible responses. So only Chuck Norris would do DEEJAYKEG, TheCheeseyCrusader, hxtr and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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