djMot Posted February 18, 2017 Member ID: 3189 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 94 Topic Count: 355 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 5234 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 11106 Achievement Points: 48754 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 112 Joined: 02/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: 12 hours ago Birthday: 12/24/1957 Device: Windows Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 All of you that think you are somehow "safe" on windows 7, I hope you realize MS is slowly integrating all the same things into 7 that scare you so much in 10. No. Support for Win7, other than security updates, ended over a year ago. No feature development or phone support. JohnnyDos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted February 18, 2017 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.15 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2017 And yet Windows 7 Still Runs great. I am pushing my customers to Mac. Screw Microsoft. YACCster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3Time Posted February 18, 2017 Member ID: 20371 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 159 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 341 Achievement Points: 2727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1 Birthday: 06/11/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2017 I have not put one patch on after SP1. So what is changing on my computer? Why fix what is not broken? No securirty updates ? Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Johnny3Time Posted February 18, 2017 Member ID: 20371 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 159 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 341 Achievement Points: 2727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 1 Birthday: 06/11/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2017 No. Support for Win7, other than security updates, ended over a year ago. No feature development or phone support. If I knew where to link the article I read I would, but it was in 2015 and I forget where I read this on the MS site after the Win 10 upgrade campaign started . Those Security updates include what MS deems to be security fixes to keep the OS inline with the win 10 update process. Some updates will be forced unless you have disabled the win 7 update module completely and illusions of privacy will be just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damage_inc- Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 2048 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 294 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 6689 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 4709 Achievement Points: 48999 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/15/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 all u need is microsoft security essentials /defender and a nice piggyback program is malwarebytes-havent had one virus since djMot and tsw 8.5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BigPapaDean Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 1128 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 78 Topic Count: 1200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6529 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 4411 Achievement Points: 63453 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 02/13/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 06:24 AM Birthday: 10/21/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 Just one little question guys! WHO IS RIGHT? lol Honestly I know some of you and respect your knowledge and ability but I have yet to have any two friends agree on this issue and I mean EVER!!! WHO IS RIGHT??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
7Toes Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted February 19, 2017 LtLaszlo, Sonovabich and JohnnyDos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 Abstinence is the best protection. Best to stay off the internet and never plug anything into any of your computer sockets. Johnny3Time, JohnnyDos, Damage_inc- and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sitting-Duc Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 561 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 84 Topic Count: 502 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5334 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 4610 Achievement Points: 41340 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 29 Joined: 10/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:31 PM Birthday: 04/06/1992 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 @@BigPapaDean without a doubt @@Sammy has the best advice in this thread: Abstinence is the best protection. Best to stay off the internet and never plug anything into any of your computer sockets. I have to say that I do disagree with @@djMot on his first post, especially as it is hugely more complex than the article that is linked to suggests. I also disagree with @@hxtr on his views on Microsoft and updating in general. But the question of 'who is right?' and who in general to believe? well that's not such a simple answer. I am not going to pretend that I have the credentials to give proper advice on this but in my humble opinion you are all trying to fit a single solution into something that requires a multitude of options. The evolution of both operating systems, application software and hardware has been because of the wide variety of PC users and how they are using them. The same goes for antivirus solutions. If I am doing lots of browsing of random websites and downloading from them then I want an AV that is doing full behavioural scanning which is a bit more resource intensive. Or if all I do is play a couple of games, visit a few websites and do some email then Defender would be OK for me. Johnny3Time, Sonovabich and hxtr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
JohnnyDos Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 77 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 111 Topic Count: 1018 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7527 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 9175 Achievement Points: 69486 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 47 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 8, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I listen to this show.Yesterday they said that every computer or any smart phone or device is being recorded. http://intotomorrow.com/ Sonovabich and Damage_inc- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 03:05 PM Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) I listen to this show.Yesterday they said that every computer or any smart phone or device is being recorded. http://intotomorrow.com/ That's what Edward Snowden told the world back in 2011 i think, the NSA can track every cell phone in the world and can also listen in to you through a house phone with the receiver down, apparently they are only thinking of our safety.....yeah right. Edited February 19, 2017 by Sonovabich JohnnyDos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyDos Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 77 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 111 Topic Count: 1018 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7527 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 9175 Achievement Points: 69486 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 47 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 8, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Watch this video and it shows how big it is(yottabyte) and what the NSA is doing.Tells you at the end of the video.(not very long) Edited February 19, 2017 by JohnnyDos Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djMot Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 3189 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 94 Topic Count: 355 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 5234 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 11106 Achievement Points: 48754 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 112 Joined: 02/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: 12 hours ago Birthday: 12/24/1957 Device: Windows Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 @@BigPapaDean without a doubt @@Sammy has the best advice in this thread: I have to say that I do disagree with @@djMot on his first post, especially as it is hugely more complex than the article that is linked to suggests. I also disagree with @@hxtr on his views on Microsoft and updating in general. But the question of 'who is right?' and who in general to believe? well that's not such a simple answer. I am not going to pretend that I have the credentials to give proper advice on this but in my humble opinion you are all trying to fit a single solution into something that requires a multitude of options. The evolution of both operating systems, application software and hardware has been because of the wide variety of PC users and how they are using them. The same goes for antivirus solutions. If I am doing lots of browsing of random websites and downloading from them then I want an AV that is doing full behavioural scanning which is a bit more resource intensive. Or if all I do is play a couple of games, visit a few websites and do some email then Defender would be OK for me. Like you, @Sitting- , I browse to lots of places on the Internet. I only use Defender because there is no one more qualified to protect the operating system than the operating system author itself. The article I posted a link to further links out to other articles which, in total, illustrates the frustration browser authors experience at the hand of AV vendors that step in and disable the protection mechanisms they have baked into their browsers. This increases the attack surface available to cybercriminals. With headlines like "Symantec calls antivirus 'doomed' as security giants fight for survival," and Google browser engineers tweeting out "You misunderstand your own ignorance. AV is my single biggest impediment to shipping a secure browser," I'm inclined to stop throwing good money after bad. YMMV. Everyone is always free to spend whatever they like on AV. As always, your money, your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Merlin007 Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 2068 Group: +++ COD5 Head Admin Followers: 69 Topic Count: 1076 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 8451 Content Per Day: 1.73 Reputation: 7334 Achievement Points: 75103 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 64 Joined: 12/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 05/23/1973 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 I play games, do a bit of surfing, pay bills, buy shit, and email. Using only defender and Malwarebytes. That's all I personally feel I need. Everyone will feel differently and have their own opinion of what the believe they need for what they are doing on their respective pcs. That said, i also believe there is no one piece of software that will do it all so when is enough? The answer... Most likely not the same from mine, mot's, or hxtr's, or anyone elses. But feel free to continue the saga. There is a lot of good info and insight here to maybe help the uninformed. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Damage_inc- and JohnnyDos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sitting-Duc Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 561 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 84 Topic Count: 502 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5334 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 4610 Achievement Points: 41340 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 29 Joined: 10/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:31 PM Birthday: 04/06/1992 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 Yeah that's fair, I work in a very security conscious organisation and our security standards are made by the people that snoop on the UK population. As such I feel that their advice is probably whats best for me to keep my computer safe. Sonovabich, Merlin007 and hxtr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.15 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 Watch the movie "Snowden". NO ONE IS SECURE. And anyone one who thinks they are is delusional. It is up to you to be smart. How you use your computer. What browers addones and other. But to think anyone is secure... fat chance. If someone wants in.. they will get in. Period. What do security updates do for me when I dont use IE? I use Chrome. Again it is up to me to keep my PC clean. My habits dictate how my PC runs. JohnnyDos and Sonovabich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting-Duc Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 561 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 84 Topic Count: 502 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5334 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 4610 Achievement Points: 41340 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 29 Joined: 10/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:31 PM Birthday: 04/06/1992 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 @@hxtr You are completely right that nobody is secure - however you are saying it in a 'hyped' way which propagates the information in a 'fake news' kind of style. I have been on a couple of weeks of security training recently, the courses focused on securing application development and the application environments. The big thing that came out was that yes nobody or system is secure. HOWEVER you need to know your adversary and decide who you want to defend against. Of course we can say nobody is secure.. because with enough money you can get into any system (look at the San Bernardino iPhone cracking case). Troy Hunt does some very interesting security courses that are publicly available and give you a great overview of the conditions out there and he also discusses the information from Snowden and the wider security community. The key adversaries that you will come across are 'Nation States', 'Cyber-Criminals' and 'Hacktivists' - you can also have the 'Malicious Insiders' category. If a nation state wants to get in to your system it will undoubtedly be able to do that - but you have to question why they would want your midget porn. Cyber Criminals are really the only target for a standard type of user (such as the ones on this website) and Hacktivists only really go after companies and organisations. The Cyber Criminal category prefers entry into systems through social engineering, viruses and malware and although they can have huge amounts of funds they are using them for mass distribution. On the topic of antiviruses which is how this topic was started - they are generally protecting against the cyber criminal category as that is what the average user is doing. To protect against the nation state you require your own nation state to be doing the protecting - again not 100% protected but the cost of entry goes up. So in summary - yes @@hxtr you are right that you can never have a fully secure system but you can of course have levels. What you are saying is true but you are taking information out of context. I'm not sure why you are? perhaps to scare people? cause trouble? I don't get it.. Personally I have already signed my declaration to my government that they can have all of my data and access any of my systems. But you know.. I'm an idiot. Merlin007, Johnny3Time, hxtr and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted February 19, 2017 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2017 It depends on where you live. Many places and governments WOULD care whether or not you have midget porn. Or what websites you go to. Or people that you talk to. They dont want your midget porn. They do want to use it against you. People tend to think money. Or exposing people. But nation states think secrets. And of course it assumes places like MS have perfect security. Or cheating websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.15 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 @@BigPapaDean without a doubt @@Sammy has the best advice in this thread: I have to say that I do disagree with @@djMot on his first post, especially as it is hugely more complex than the article that is linked to suggests. I also disagree with @@hxtr on his views on Microsoft and updating in general. But the question of 'who is right?' and who in general to believe? well that's not such a simple answer. I am not going to pretend that I have the credentials to give proper advice on this but in my humble opinion you are all trying to fit a single solution into something that requires a multitude of options. The evolution of both operating systems, application software and hardware has been because of the wide variety of PC users and how they are using them. The same goes for antivirus solutions. If I am doing lots of browsing of random websites and downloading from them then I want an AV that is doing full behavioural scanning which is a bit more resource intensive. Or if all I do is play a couple of games, visit a few websites and do some email then Defender would be OK for me. For my personal system on the updates. Can't turn off updates in 10 unless I guess you have the pro version and do a policy change. Why not just turn them off? Because Microsoft wants you always connected. How else can they market or sell your information for marketing towards you unless you're always connected? I trust no company. Not even one. Should we trust them? Before I post this I am trying to think is their even one company I trust..... nope. I done trust even one company except maybe local non chain restaurants. I have to trust you to eat your food. Though I have eaten at McDonalds before and I knew they were poison. #McDonaldsFakeFood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 03:05 PM Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) Watch the movie "Snowden". NO ONE IS SECURE. And anyone one who thinks they are is delusional. It is up to you to be smart. How you use your computer. What browers addones and other. But to think anyone is secure... fat chance. If someone wants in.. they will get in. Period. What do security updates do for me when I dont use IE? I use Chrome. Again it is up to me to keep my PC clean. My habits dictate how my PC runs. Better to actually watch the real Ed Snowden story in the Documentary "CitizenFour" and @@Sitting-Duc yes i understand what you had to do for your job in signing a declaration but at the end of the day it don't matter because they can see everything you are doing anyway...watch this, i think he probably signed similar stuff to you and as for Hxtr trying to scare people and cause trouble, no, he is just telling you how it is and yes you should be scared but i think we are taking a different course now from where this post started lol. http://documentary-movie.com/citizenfour/ Edited February 20, 2017 by Sonovabich hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8278 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5996 Achievement Points: 53709 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 13 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Share Posted February 20, 2017 Ok enough if ya get a virus you would probably have been ask to do it yes asked and you said yes. Antivirus be dammed. The rest as for security and them watching yu use a vpn if not I have to ask because I do not know anybody who does shit so cool they have to hide. I would be so happy if my life was so awesome I had to hide my shit. For those who disagree can I be your friend because your the dangerous people my mom told me about and I need some excitement. P.S. if we do meet can I break your phone ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 296 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4479 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3643 Achievement Points: 36581 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 40 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 sona its code name windows along with facebook and the mother load of a cloud how's that fear mongering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 296 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4479 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3643 Achievement Points: 36581 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 40 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 OT of the movie citizenfour yes when my post disappear from facebook thanks to tempor or what program they using now took freedom of speech away why do these greedy low lifes hide behind a program, afraid to be exposed or loose money, power to control Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sitting-Duc Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 561 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 84 Topic Count: 502 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5334 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 4610 Achievement Points: 41340 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 29 Joined: 10/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:31 PM Birthday: 04/06/1992 Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 @@KaptCrunch I control the freedom of speech here.. should I take your comments to be directed at all of us 'greedy lowlifes' or just Facebook? Blackbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted February 20, 2017 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted February 20, 2017 Privacy is the default. Nobody has to explain or justify why they want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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