This is the end result of socialism

[RobMc]

Everything you read here is absolutely 100% true I swear it and has happened personally to me over the last 5 years. It is indicative of the breakdown in our society due to an obsession with socialist ideals over common sense. It probably is different in countries where you pay for healthcare, but in the UK it's free, leading to many abuses costing the taxpayer millions, holiday care abuse (i.e. where the purpose of the holiday is to get free treatment) has slowly been dealt with, but not totally eradicated, i.e. persons entitled to live here 'importing relatives'.

However for the poor staff trying their best, with little funds, low morale etc etc it is beginning to be impossible, in my opinion every member of the NHS should be given a 10% raise immediately, from foreign aid to countries like India would be a good start. I am married to a retired nurse and didn't really believe her stories until I experienced them myself.

For me it began in a local city where our parents were born, my mother in law had been rushed into hospital and all the family turned up to see her naturally. We never ever expected scenes such as this to be found in the UK, a riot was happening, around 20 people of middle eastern origin were screaming at the staff and threatening them, trying to jump the queue. Security were overwhelmed and the police called, were they arrested or evicted, no sirree they jumped the queue with the assistance of the police, that's ok for the honest tax paying citizens then?

Then came my bike accident, two weeks intensive care and 12 weeks on a ward, when I was moved to the six bed ward for 2 days it was fine. On the third day this lunatic ran in, jumped on a corner bed, screaming abuse to everyone then left to get his fix. He returned that night, out of his mind, barging round the ward and almost fell on me, no sleep that night as we had to watch all our possessions, took the hospital 6 days to kick him out, there were more social workers than nurses on the ward. Meantime we could hear shouting from a cubicle further down the corridor, this was a particularly obnoxious druggie, not just abusive but violent to the staff, all of the young nurses were in tears. It is the only time in my life where I would willingly have killed someone if I'd had the means. Police and security were on a shift basis, 24 hours a day of screaming and foul language, even when kiddies were visiting. I got the story of this guy eventually, and it made me wonder about God, he lived in a 4 storey hostel on the top floor, One night he fancied smoking some crack on the roof under the stars, it was a slate tiled roof but unfortunately for him it rained, he slid off, fell 4 floors, landed between some metal railings and only had a few minor breaks, no justice is there?

From the third day I was never without a druggie or an Alkie, more methadone was taken than paracetomol, I woke at 0230 one night to hear something out of Breaking Bad, The guy opposite me (who had a lovely wife and two kids) was a dealer, I'd heard him talking to his visitors about his boss and how good the pay was, he was in after being mugged by 3 men who stole his stash and money. The conversation I listened to was surreal (he thought I was asleep), during the assault he'd managed to steal two of the mobile phones, he was giving his boss the names and numbers. I actually heard his boss saying the 'firm' would deal with it, we all know what that means.

I will continue this later, there is more

 

[RobMc]

PART 2

I was told to lie immobile with my left leg for 6 weeks, in that time two alcoholics fell on it. At least the Alkies were pleasant, until one evening I noticed some of the visitors passing booze to one of them. The nurses closed the doors at 2200 and locked us in with these fckrs, you had to sleep on your possessions or they were gone. So he started on the piss and became increasingly erratic, staggering round the ward. Now I knew I had to live with this man for a while and it would not do to snitch on him. Then I had a brainwave, my wife who was still working at the time was on nightshift at my local hospital ward, so I sent her an SMS message. It worked, the nurses came charging in just as he'd set light to the towels in the toilet.

You must by now be getting the idea, the staff are hamstrung by rules catering firstly for ethnicity, then human rights before any medical decisions were made. One night a temporary nurse gave me 3 x 300 mg of morphine, instead of 1 x 300mg, she thought they were 100mg each, luckily I spotted it otherwise no Rob here now. They (and security) cannot or will not restrain anyone lest it cost them their job, a ridiculous state of affairs.

Then came the Russian who moved in en mass with his entire family, wife kids, mother in law etc etc, absolutely no peace and quiet for recovery. They turned up at 0800 and left around 2100, completely ignoring the visiting rules that were enforced upon locals, it was farcical, he ran his businesses from his bed via speakerphone in Russian, let me tell you they are loud, this was 24 hours a day. He was a 'scrap metal merchant' smiling at how well he was doing stealing farmers gates and manhole covers. The staff dared not touch him, they made a few efforts, but he ignored them, one of them admitted to me it was too dangerous for her job to try to stop him, marvellous eh?

This week I'm in again, same old story, first night ok but second day the alko on our ward defecated in his bed 7 times, each time getting up to leave a brown trail to the toilet, staff can only watch they can't make him stay in bed. Then the obligatory druggie turned up and hell started, screaming, abuse attempted assault on a nurse, security and police called. As security can't restrain a patient we all listened as she trashed her cubicle and defecated on the floor, tv in pieces and the toilet wrecked, another bed lost for a needy patient.

 

What I'm trying to show you here are the results of years of left wing softness, where we are all equal, where we deserve the same chances, even if we don't put one penny in the pot it's ok to demand equal treatment and don't challenge me boy I know my rights and will have you sacked.

The scum are winning, they are above the law, you can't refuse them treatment you must treat them with respect and courtesy.

Well you may think me old fashioned but fuck the way we've gone, it isn't working and the good people are suffering, sorry needed to get this off my chest and make other countries realise the truth.

I realise some of you will be saying try Private Medicine, which I was in for 30 years. My experience was that for medical treatment no different to NHS, their hospitals are nicer but usually miles away with no crash teams. We used to be able to buy a cubicle in the NHS, but that was stopped as a 'privileged perk only available to the toffs' a political move not a common sense one. So we're all cattle class now, but only half the cattle foot the bill.

America this is coming to you soon

 

[PimpedOutPete]

I am unclear why this is about socialism? Either way it should be moved to the political forum. 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by PimpedOutPete

[RobMc]

23 minutes ago, PimpedOutPete said:

I am unclear why this about socialism? Either way it should be moved to the political forum. 

 

 

Well unsurprisingly I completely disagree, and it is not about politics per se, it is to show everyone that our wonderful NHS is disintegrating year after year. The reason it is disintegrating is due to farcical standards and plain lack of common sense, these people should yes be given a chance, but if they abuse it they should be refused any treatment whatsoever. You work in the medical profession heres a few recent ones from near me, 

Despicable patient with hepatitis C spat on police after damaging five nurses' cars - Chronicle Live

High risk hospital predator who subjected NHS staff to a campaign of sexual and racist abuse jailed - Chronicle Live

'Abuse is simply unacceptable': Police step up presence at Northumberland emergency hospital - Chronicle Live

Quite simply it is socialist ideals that have lead to this, plain and simple, lack of discipline.

Lock these people up and throw the key away

My fishing buddy, ex policeman, retrained paramedic, turned up for a job last week and was injured by stoning from  youths. They of course were too young to prosecute ,why?? Because of stupidity in our laws.

[Sammy]

Socialist ideals? Or greed?

[Icequeen]

54 minutes ago, PimpedOutPete said:

I am unclear why this about socialism? Either way it should be moved to the political forum. 

 

 

Alot of these posts should be put in a debate forum. Sadly it's all people are posting lately. I'm about to show my tits and get things back together. 

[PimpedOutPete]

31 minutes ago, RobMc said:

Well unsurprisingly I completely disagree, and it is not about politics per se, it is to show everyone that our wonderful NHS is disintegrating year after year. The reason it is disintegrating is due to farcical standards and plain lack of common sense, these people should yes be given a chance, but if they abuse it they should be refused any treatment whatsoever. You work in the medical profession heres a few recent ones from near me, 

Despicable patient with hepatitis C spat on police after damaging five nurses' cars - Chronicle Live

High risk hospital predator who subjected NHS staff to a campaign of sexual and racist abuse jailed - Chronicle Live

'Abuse is simply unacceptable': Police step up presence at Northumberland emergency hospital - Chronicle Live

Quite simply it is socialist ideals that have lead to this, plain and simple, lack of discipline.

Lock these people up and throw the key away

My fishing buddy, ex policeman, retrained paramedic, turned up for a job last week and was injured by stoning from  youths. They of course were too young to prosecute ,why?? Because of stupidity in our laws.

I do not see the connection between socialism and the abuse on healthcare staff. What is obvious by todays standards the complete lack of respect society has for each other. The news is all about brutal violence towards police officers, healthcare workers, local civic employees, Retail employees. Every November we watch individuals brawling over a TV on black Friday. The political forum is littered with individuals calling others morons, losers, idiots and other terms of disrespect just because they disagree. I think the problem goes beyond political stances but rather where we are as a society.

Footnote: I have worked in healthcare for almost 30 years, not one have a been told or did anything based on ethnicity of a patient. They are all treated the same.

 

[PimpedOutPete]

7 minutes ago, Icequeen said:

Alot of these posts should be put in a debate forum. Sadly it's all people are posting lately. I'm about to show my tits and get things back together. 

lol.. You kill me. Showing your tits, we will make you an admin. lol 

[RobMc]

19 minutes ago, Sammy said:

Socialist ideals? Or greed?

Ideals, well meaning but misinterpreted

[RobMc]

9 minutes ago, Icequeen said:

Alot of these posts should be put in a debate forum. Sadly it's all people are posting lately. I'm about to show my tits and get things back together. 

I'll talk about what I want to lady, but you may change me with showing your tits, us men are basic

[Sharpe]

30 minutes into this at the moment Rob which is on this topic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ET7banSeN0

 

[RobMc]

4 minutes ago, PimpedOutPete said:

I do not see the connection between socialism and the abuse on healthcare staff

Because you do not live in the UK, all the laws to protect these fckrs were by socialist governments believe me, the dilutions in fines and punishments, the hordes of social workers instead of policemen, result is near anarchy, bet most Uk citizens think the same.

 

3 minutes ago, Sharpe said:

30 minutes into this at the moment Rob which is on this topic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ET7banSeN0

 

Thanks 'son' I'll watch this tonight

[PimpedOutPete]

9 minutes ago, RobMc said:

Because you do not live in the UK, all the laws to protect these fckrs were by socialist governments believe me, the dilutions in fines and punishments, the hordes of social workers instead of policemen, result is near anarchy, bet most Uk citizens think the same.

 

Thanks 'son' I'll watch this tonight

Well you got me on that one. I only have limited knowledge from site visits to London & Dublin. I have first hand knowledge of years of care in both a private and single payer system and it has little to do with socialism or ethnic background. I have had patients spit in my face in 1990 to 2018 and their political thoughts never crossed their minds nor mine. 

[GhostfaceJim]

This kind of stuff happens daily to Americans who actually have and pay for healthcare.  That is why I am quitting my party and joining the Socialist Party!  Haha! Kinda kidding, but not about all the crazy shit that happens to Americans that actually pay for and have excellent healthcare and they get fucked over!

[GhostfaceJim]

So imagine having your system exactly as it is now change absolutely nothing, but paying like $500+ dollars a month to pay for your health insurance.  That is what it would be like without universal healthcare.

[RobMc]

11 minutes ago, PimpedOutPete said:

Well you got me on that one. I only have limited knowledge from site visits to London & Dublin. I have first hand knowledge of years of care in both a private and single payer system and it has little to do with socialism or ethnic background. I have had patients spit in my face in 1990 to 2018 and their political thoughts never crossed their minds nor mine. 

Perhaps this came across incorrectly to those non uk, the ethnicity parts shown above were not equal treatment they were deliberately used to treat persons in a different way, the Russian a prime example. My son was turned away one afternoon with a book for me, and sitting at the end of the ward were 8 Russians i.e. So much for maximum of 2 visitors at a time, and visiting times. Now if the family had travelled from Russia to see him you might cut him a bit of slack, but they all lived 5 fucking miles away. We were all incensed in the ward but the thought police won. Now dream on buddy, this was pure ethnic background prejudice, we native Brits would not have been allowed to do it at all,. incidentally what happened to those who spit at you, were they shown the door?

[RobMc]

20 minutes ago, GhostfaceJim said:

So imagine having your system exactly as it is now change absolutely nothing, but paying like $500+ dollars a month to pay for your health insurance.  That is what it would be like without universal healthcare.

Oh we pay heavily for it, at least those working do, but everyone gets to use it

[PimpedOutPete]

10 minutes ago, RobMc said:

Perhaps this came across incorrectly to those non uk, the ethnicity parts shown above were not equal treatment they were deliberately used to treat persons in a different way, the Russian a prime example. My son was turned away one afternoon with a book for me, and sitting at the end of the ward were 8 Russians i.e. So much for maximum of 2 visitors at a time, and visiting times. Now if the family had travelled from Russia to see him you might cut him a bit of slack, but they all lived 5 fucking miles away. We were all incensed in the ward but the thought police won. Now dream on buddy, this was pure ethnic background prejudice, we native Brits would not have been allowed to do it at all,. incidentally what happened to those who spit at you, were they shown the door?

One was an emerg case and we are obligated to provide care. I was a young then and shocked at what happened. You convince yourself that your providing care regardless of the patient. There has been numerous times i wanted to tell a patient to fuck off but I held back.

The second? it was an elective exam and i handed him his rec back and told him get out. My management backed me for any abuse is not tolerated.  He was later banned from service for we are a private provider. 

[Majbasil]

Dude, "Socialism" isn't the problem, bad management is.   From my research about British Healthcare, it seems that it is quite simply vastly underfunded.  What the world needs is great leaders, with compassion, intelligence, education, wisdom and common sense.  Kids need to be raised with the education of different societies and governments and hash out the pros and cons of each, the dangers and past mistakes, history is so very important to understand as tragically, it does repeat itself over and over and over again.  Greed and selfishness and all those "evil" traits in an ideology/leader are what get everyone eventually suffering and miserable.  Please note who the happiest folks on earth are, they live in "Socialist" countries.  Hmmm just think of it, being "happy"... what a concept.    2 cents  

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Why is Finland the happiest country in the world 2020?

Finland has extensive welfare benefits, low levels of corruption, a well-functioning democracy, and an instilled sense of freedom and independence, which is a big part of what makes up our happiness. ...

 

[PimpedOutPete]

8 minutes ago, Majbasil said:

Dude, "Socialism" isn't the problem, bad management is.   From my research about British Healthcare, it seems that it is quite simply vastly underfunded.  What the world needs is great leaders, with compassion, intelligence, education, wisdom and common sense.  Kids need to be raised with the education of different societies and governments and hash out the pros and cons of each, the dangers and past mistakes, history is so very important to understand as tragically, it does repeat itself over and over and over again.  Greed and selfishness and all those "evil" traits in an ideology/leader are what get everyone eventually suffering and miserable.  Please note who the happiest folks on earth are, they live in "Socialist" countries.  Hmmm just think of it, being "happy"... what a concept.    2 cents  

 

Well said.

https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/the-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world

[GhostfaceJim]

Ya and the end result of socialism is a Utopia?  Am I right?

[TBB]

2 hours ago, Icequeen said:

Alot of these posts should be put in a debate forum. Sadly it's all people are posting lately. I'm about to show my tits and get things back together. 

C'mon Icey - you know I couldn't let this pass - please - please - pretty please

[Snap]

Interesting topic RobMc. Canada especially Toronto is heading down the road you described. We are about 5 to 10 years behind Britain in the ethnic mix but its gaining ground fast. You cannot Fart here but for it to be examined to determine if it offensive to some Ethnic or sexual oriented group. If it passes all the small tests then it may be allowed to proceed. (but with caution). Then in the future it could be reexamined to see if it should be banned or related to some offense that may need an apology from the Prime Minister.

Meanwhile in Quebec they make you speak French, they are now a nation, they don't tolerate any religious shit in government jobs and basically they are as happy as fuck and any new Canadian that dosen't like it can fuck right off s'il vous plait. Merci beaucoup.

[KaptCrunch]

Snap watch what you say for bil C-10 may edit your post and silence you for PM passed that law to kill free speach as we know it to feather his nest

[Sharpe]

5 hours ago, Sharpe said:

30 minutes into this at the moment Rob which is on this topic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ET7banSeN0

 

A good discussion which delves into why just giving people money won't solve the problem. It is certainly a very complex topic.

The NHS in the UK may be underfunded, it may also be overfunded. It most certainly is horribly run with a huge amount of resources squandered in many areas. At a certain point the healthy productive members of society can only do so much if the system is overburdened. Of course this is where the judgement aspect that Dr. Anthony Daniels mentions comes in to play. It has become increasingly difficult to point out harsh realities in society. One point of view may be that "we must spend an ever increasing amount of money on the NHS, until everyone's needs are taken care of".  Unfortunately there are other realities such as limits on number of qualified staff which simply can't be overcome by spending more. You then overwork the staff you do have, leading to a poorer standard of care.