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I like the new mod about the same as I liked the old mod. I get how invested some of us (including, perhaps, myself) in our beloved 10+ year old game that we keep putting new lipstick on. I get that people don't like change (good or bad). But there is a human being behind this mod - and human beings supported and promoting this mod and clan. And those people have been working hard - for YEARS - for YOU to have a mod to play with the rest of us that we all presume to "like." I am embarrassed for you and for the clan that you felt it was okay to come in here and speak like this to your fellow clan mate. @Sammy, I apologize on behalf of the clan.

Sammy does play the mod, maybe not when you are on, just because he doesn't play when you play doesn't mean he doesn't play.

Only coming in to defend Sammy here as honestly reading some of what has been said I think it is a bit over the top. Sammy has looked after, extended, improved and invested many hours (i'm sure many, many hours) into the mod and it really is down to him in that role to use his best judgement to decide all sort of things, features to add/remove, changes to make and values to set. We trust and empower him to do that, we generally have always in some way influenced decisions or helped with changes. It is down to him to ultimately decide on the best actions to take. We want to work with Sammy in helping him understand what works well and perhaps what doesn't by providing constructive feedback. I do not think challenging or questioning necessarily every decision is the way to go, certainly it can lead to 'tweaks' that have more of an impact than expected. You talk of 'democracy'.. I do not believe this is a democracy - Sammy was not 'elected'. Simply he volunteered as many of us do in this community. We generally work on a 'volunteer' and 'empower' model if anything here. Like Sammy many of us take on areas of responsibility and do what we feel is best. That is not to say that this is a dictatorship (as it obviously isn't), but ultimately someone has to make a decision on what changes are made and I believe in this case that is Sammy. Keep the feedback coming, keep it constructive, keep in mind that this is a game.

You know what people said when we changed the mod the last time to the mod that you love right now, I hate it Fucking bullshit Why change if it isn't broken These cars are stupid You can't hit shit with these guns he's hacking This mod sucks I'm playing elsewhere

Play here its the old mod 162.248.95.161:28960 >XI< MW2 Freezetag #2

Now I have your attention! First off, Loader and I are proud to announce we are going to be implementing a new mod onto CoD2. I say new mod but it is more of an up to date version of the current mod we are hosting: eXtreme 2.8. We are moving to 2.9 on a separate server and we would like your input as well. These severs are yours just as much as ours. What is it you want to see in the mod? Do you want similar to what we have now or something different? A new weapon set up, say modern weapons? Trade out fire nades for ones that go boom? Anything you'd like to see in it, let us know and we'll see what we can do. We can build upon what we have in the current mod and try to fix any glaring issues anyone might currently have with the current one or we can go a completely different route. There is no ETA for this as Loader and I are doing this on the side as the main servers are our current priority but I will keep people updated as and when anything major happens. What about the old mod? That is staying, don't worry! This is going to be on a separate server so you can still beat each other off-- I mean up! on the current CoD2 servers whilst we take a gander at this new version. Can I have this and that in the mod? I am sure you can! As we are moving from 2.8 to 2.9 there will be a lot of things that are familiar so a lot of systems we have in play now will still be available. This is a very powerful mod and there is a lot that can be done! Personally, I want to replace grenades with potatoes but we'll see. I also want to try and fix that damn bug with the gunship where you can still carry the weapon around for 20-30 seconds when you jump out. And maybe fix the spawns so a couple of you will stop crying. As I have mentioned, any input you have on what you would like to see would be greatly appreciated. Even if it is just a list. Take mine for example: CTF and TDM map rotation Grenades are potatoes Map skip voting (should only be used when there are hardly any players and its a big map) Mode voting (vote for CTF or TDM on the next map) Longer spawn time/distance Anti-camping mechanism

Too easy to use according to who? You? The settings, whatever they are, aren't incorrect if that is what people prefer and want. You are allowing your own personal bias to affect what changes are being made. This isn't the Sammy server and it baffles me why you are given near carte blanche to make these decisions and we have to fight tooth and nail to get any kind of change.

Budman ????

It's just a Game people...

OMG lmao

Good day all, To add a little mix, I have changed over DM3 to a straight TDM server running on the openwarfare mod which has lots of options. Map rotation at this time is the stock maps and here is a summary of the gameplay: - Ranked mode with power-up - No voting - server settings are a mix of DM2 and FT with respect to speed and gravity and a few other things - Kill streaks: 3 radar, 7 artillery, 10 dogs. These are set to not announce to the apposing team. - nothing special with weapons, left most as mod stock - 3 rounds of play, 12min rounds, rotate after each round. Other idea is to just run 1 round/map for 20min, DM style, then rotate to next map. - no teamkill monitor - health regenerates over time but can pick up health packs. no bandages. - explosives set will disappear when killed - added and extra for smoke. typically smoke is up for about 10 secs. the mod tweak puts it to approx 25sec. - added weapon tweak. This tweak is meant to make weapon behavior in game a bit more realistic. I have not used this before so not sure what that all entails. Hope you all enjoy and feel free to comment or suggest any changes. Cheers

Unlike my buddy Sixgun (hungwaylow), as we all know I have the opposite problem, where in things like saunas I'm often directed to the ladies part, in fact I'm not sure it's still there I haven't seen it for about 20 years. Talking about this to a buddy and he said he'd send something to help me, boy was I excited when the postman gave me a box the next week, I hoped it wouldn't take long to inflate? I eagerly opened the box, wtf?????, it said it was to help with erectile dysfunction ?, I wasn't building anything at the moment?, since the last episode when my neighbours objected to my bird spotting tower, just because it blocked the light from their bedroom, some people just don't like nature do they? Anyway when I opened it there were these blue tablets, this had me puzzled, and the instructions only said use with care as stiffness resulted after 15 minutes?, was I to exercise with them? then it came to me, you dissolved them before use, by f..k they were good the brush I used to stir them with in the bucket was rock hard after 5 minutes. Now for a long time the back fence has been leaning over a bit, so I poured a bit on the posts, f..k me they sprang to attention like Guardsmen, straight as a poker, wow these things could do miracles, what next? Just then a tablet fell out of the box, and quick as a flash my greedy labrador wolfed it down, which leads me to my problem, How do I get the f.....g dog off my leg???

If you had a dollar for every wank you have had during lockdown. What type of porsche would you buy? saw this today and thought it funny

Amazing all these digs at Sammy, a reminder, he is not doing these himself, HE HAS BEEN ASKED to do them, so lay off him, you want to have a go well try the senior admins first. Then when they tell you to fuck off just play the game, because they do, they have never hidden the fact it was going to change. And for the fckr who recently implied that people like me shouldn't comment because they never play?, that would have raised a smile with many. I might not play at your times but I play every day when I can, in fact to rub salt into the wound I was on the very first development team, and you can confirm that with Rugger so fu. Spinpuppy put it well in another post, it's just a fucking cartoon and game, if it is ruining your life get counselling. I see no complaints from a lot of really good players, they seem ok?

I think you are deflecting and are guilty of exactly what you are accusing some of us off. I think you should go back and reread my extensive reply on the last page and the quotes from a good number of regulars who have played the server for years. I can't see how it comes across as trying to "dominate everyone else to get their way". You are simply writing off our legitimate concerns to try and get your own way, as evidenced by "so you stop trying and focus on doing what needs to be done. So onward." I certainly don't have all the answers. The vast majority may very well like the new guns. That is fine, it may well just be time for some of us to move on.

Lol

Just gonna leave this here. Fuck all you pussy ass whiners who want everything your fucking way. You don't like the MOD as it was built? Good fuck and go build one you like then, Oh you can't because you don't know how? THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP. Sammy has worked hard on this mod. Look at how many people had to change their settings to join this mod due them using advantages like turning off Vegation Etc.... . Not that it is more of a level playing field you don't fucking like it. Tough shit suck it up Buttercup.

Before this mod was put on the main server, there was in my opinion only few minor tweeks needed. This new mod has really shown some people true fucking colors. Thank you Sammy for your hard work. Fuck all these haters.

Hmm. Ok for #1 a bug somewhere certainly. For #2, duke should have been removed all headshot checks. Might be one other somewhere. Will investigate both this evening. As said before quite awhile ago, the goal is to have all weapons match their cod4 counterparts. If one doesn't then it will be fixed. Tell us all, once again, why this should not be the case because you don't like it. For example info, the only difference between the normal LMG and the grip is the center time. Before the fix, the SMR basically got a grip... not something offered in the loadout.., for free. Tell us all again why this weapon should get a free attachment but nobody else does. As for that silly part about the names Saritch vs SMR, that is common in the CoD franchise. Often for legal reasons. A lot of weapon names are copyrighted. Others because at some point they thought a different name simply sounded better. Internally it is called the Sartich. Externally the SMR. The sig556 is also known as the swat556. The opfor team is internally called 'arab'. I will let you decide why. Seems there are some that get angry when they don't get their way. I can't help that. Like it, or not, while all things are taken into consideration, mistakes not withstanding, ultimately it is the responsibility of one person. The democratic part is if the clan wants it on their server at all. Up to it to decide and I have no say in that. And in such cases, if the result is not to someone's liking, it is up to the individual whether or not to go elsewhere. As we have seen, some have.

I hear you are going to buy one for everyone in the Clan!!!!

@YACCster It is my opinion only, not an agenda because I have no intent. My frustration has nothing to do with you, specifically. Here is why I am frustrated: The pump action shotgun is a downgrade compared to the SPAS-12 in the old mod because of a horrible sprintout time compared to near instant hipfire capability with other guns, reduced range even with the Grip, and I can't jump to close the distance and shoot mid air because of the sprintout time. I am getting used to this, I just have to adjust like everyone else with their favorite gun. The .44 Mag is unreliable. The rate of fire is not purely semi-automatic. It does not matter how fast your trigger finger is, it won't fire any faster. I use it to snipe to make up for my shotgun's limited range. It is less powerful now. It is also much less accurate. I was playing on the map aosta valley yesterday and I had made it to the enemy spawn house at the top of the hill. I saw an afk player in their spawn. From the second floor window at the back of the house, I aimed center torso at the afk player, took my time, and missed the first five shots before landing the sixth. I cannot rely on this at all. How can I kill someone using a trophy system outside the range of my shotgun if the .44 mag is so inaccurate? As I mentioned in a previous post, the trophy system even shoots down smoke grenades. I just want to run by and not get shot. I can understand shooting down nova gas, but not smoke grenades. The Steath perk has been nerfed. I wish it would grant immunity to bouncing betties and claymores like in the previous mod. My playstyle is to infiltrate and take out campers. There are so many measures in place to protect campers now that I must repeatably die trying to get close enough with my shotgun, and by then, I will have fed the camper so many kills to escape with a spawn protection killstreaks once I get defrosted. I understand I can use thr Hacker perk now, but I prefer Dead Silence because good players take advantage of sound to hear footsteps. I have used the same class setup for years. Everything has been nerfed. I barely get enough kills to get an RC-XD. I don't even like using spawn protection killstreaks because I think the post killstreak spawn protection is cheap, but now I pretty much have to use it to retreat and set up my SAM Turret, or else it just gets stolen. Most maps I get to use no killstreaks at all unless I survive until the end of the round.

Wasn't it retaliation?

Pigs aren't people. It's a disservice to both people - and pigs - to humanize pigs. There, I PC'd the shit out of the topic for you.

Stealing a trap/decoy. That is an interesting idea to mull over. Maybe thats the anti-heist. Have to think about how that could be incorporated and where it would go.

The old 146 is up on here 162.248.95.161:28960 >XI< MW2 Freezetag #2 This is also the redirect from the main server

LOL @RANDALL! I love the new features, and certainly the Trophy system is in direct opposition to anyone using nades, smaws etc., how does that help your stated agenda for me? Love the Heist, and it's been refined to being much more fair like many of the things during the progression of this beta. As I said in game this weekend I'd think a Decoy Perk that would blow up the Heister taking it would be a fantastic idea, and think it should blow them up once they try and use it, perhaps taking a few of their teammates with it.

@YACCster You aren't complaining because this server is a direct upgrade for you. You just throw grenades at people and steal killstreaks. Even worse, you taunt the person afterward. As toxic as they come. I can't say I am mad, though. In fact, I am at peace because it's not about killstreaks for me. I expect my killstreaks to be stolen if I die. I don't use Heist because I am not a piece of shit human being. @Sammy it would be funny if when someone steals an Explosive Decoy with Heist they blow themselves up.

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the new mod too.

Deja vu. The same usual suspects trying to dominate everyone else to get their way. Happens every time. There also does come a point where you just cant reason with some people, so you stop trying and focus on doing what needs to be done. So onward.

A Royal Navy what ?? leading seaman, petty officer ????

New rotation maps are: map mp_82ab_crossing map mp_agx_castle map mp_agx_shinu map mp_arroyo map mp_caen2 map mp_sps_kiebu map mp_cityhall2 map mp_dundygrad map mp_crash_day map mp_kilian map mp_kwanriver map mp_matmata map mp_southfrance map mp_canal2 map mp_stalemate_1 map mp_supply_depot map mp_dogville map mp_warehouse map mp_wbridge map mp_xfire_bay

My opinion after coming back to COD4 after more than 5 years and only having a few weeks with what is now the old mod - everything feels weak in the newest mod. Every gun even the machine guns. I thought Sharpe had a good point above. Why not share some data on what gun damage is like? We can only really go off 'feelings' and know that it takes 2, 3, or more bullets to kill anyone. What should it be? Should the weapons kill you if it hits the torso? Does the gun matter? Without any data we can only give you these rough feelings.

Please don't tell how you'd know...

He seems to be greasing it himself ???

I am sorry that I missed the joke, that is the one thing about the internet that makes real communication difficult not being able to hear voice inflection in the words on a screen. We have butted heads at times over these past almost 15 years but you are a fair man and deserve a apology from me. Also I know I have made comments in the past that have upset some people when that wasn't my intention and that doesn't mean I am a "Bad Person" it just means sometimes the message gets lost in translation. Even though you and I don't have the same level of interaction as we used to as the clan has grown and new games have come along I do know you are a good man/human being and have always been dedicated to our common goal of friendship and fun. Please I hope you accept my sincere apology. I was still a little doped up from the pain meds they gave me during my stay in the Hospital and afterwards, that is no excuse at all for the way I worded my misunderstanding your kindness in attempting to put a smile on my face during a trying time. The flood of emotions and the fatigue got the better of me and I showed the world my ass and I regret that. I had others who never have a kind word in game to me or about me say nice things on this same thread and those too threw me off but I didn't respond to them but you Bob are different and I do think very highly of you again as a human being. Take care as I will and I hope you can forgive me for my weakness and stupidity.

Sounds good and fun, thank you Merlin ! Now let's try it out !

The next rotation for DM1 is loaded and will take effect after next server restart. Small map rotation map mp_africorp_rmk map mp_bridge map mp_gardenofheat map mp_lichtung map mp_meatgrinder map mp_pmcod map mp_snr_seals_2 Medium map rotation map mp_agx_depot2_night map mp_anzio_beach map mp_ax_neuville map mp_boneville map mp_cityhall2 map mp_cw_dawnville map mp_dinant map mp_dundygrad map mp_gits_harbor map mp_haguenau map mp_jsvacant map mp_makin_day map mp_murmansk map mp_nijmegen map mp_powcamp_n map mp_riverbank map mp_streets map mp_toujane_rmk map mp_wolftown map mp_xfire_bay map mp_byalistok Large map rotation map mp_1078carentan map mp_agx_port map mp_anzio map mp_caen2 map mp_communique map mp_dumont map mp_great_escape map mp_industrial map mp_lolv2_codwaw map mp_newsicily map mp_ramelle map mp_seelow map mp_snr_st_mengs map mp_stlo map mp_trenchville map mp_vm_caen map mp_wolfsquare map mp_byalistok map mp_bentys_depot Cheers

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I like the new mod , I think it should be set back to the test version, and also put up the old version on a separate serve, so tired of hearing ppl cry, (oh he stole my nuke, or they stole my package) it’s a perk get over it, I do agree some tweaks need done and stuff but I don’t agree trying to please just a few ppl, it’s new try it out give your ideas, don’t badger Sammy , he is doing what he can , but not everyone is gonna like it, so why can’t we have both versions up on separate servers, that why the ones who cry can go to that server since they can’t cope with change. But all in all I love all you idiots ?

You can never unread what you have read.

If you want to know various stats I will post a list of what guns replaces the originals, tho some are self explanatory, and the stats for bullet damage etc are all available online at multiple CoD sites. There are no 'feelings'. The Sig556 is a direct replacement for the M-16 for example and all the various stats are identical. Barring something that got missed... like the aforementioned mk46. For the P90 and grenades, can you describe your loadout? I am not seeing the issue but there might be a specific conflict someplace. I must be honest and say yes its possible your own SAM shot you down. Shouldnt happen again.

???Thats funny right there. I dont care who ya are, thats funny!

Just rob and his humping dog... Just consider it time in your life you won't get back lmao.

What the fuck did I just read???

Congrats on those shiny, new tags, Sway! ?

Is it really 15 years now holy crap where did the time go. You are not a bad man and I do not know how anybody could call you that. No apologies needed here. And I do get the stress that condition of yours placed apon you. That's why I try hard with humor its a hard thing to do when your talking about diseases cancer and all that shitty crap. I think trying to place a smile on a crapy moment in time is worth a lot more than a get well ?

ok ... all guns is bs, pistols is big BS if I still have to pull 3 magazines to kill someone ,give me 10 bullet magazines and if i used rapid fire, give me 20 stopping power = worthless when they shoot with a gun they move even if I use red dot (asalt class) when you only make a good weapon, everyone will play with this weapon -- why don't you do them all good? for kill RC i need 2 pistol clips . and i have 4 ) you never promoted sniper rifles ,maybe someone wants to play with this weapon ,even if it is a normal map Sniper 50 cal- 3 clips for to hit something (steady aim worthless) you can't collect bullets than from a weapon similar to yours extremely many atomic bombs in packages ( look in the server logs) Saturday on each map 1, even 2 nukes omfg I'm not saying anything about the change perks ,I talked in vain for 3 years ......... I prefer to go back to play other games than to get angry here... cya ..next year