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for my opinion its common sense that a business that work with people , like hospitals , schools and public or private transportations , asked theirs employees all been vaccinated ; its for safety of the workers and also for all users.

Your liberty stops when you are affecting my liberty , i want to be free and go where i can be safe and virus free .

In my place all these masks stuff and restrictions are still in effects because of the amount of sick poeple in hospital ICU who are close to 100 % non or not enough vaccinated...

hope this will end soon ...

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I agree with major mark. Why does a person who needs a heart transplant or kidney transplant  have to be told no they can't have it because somebody who refuses to get a vaccine caught covid and ended up in there bed. Really not fare. It's a democracy people the majority rule. BTW a comunistic society would just lock you up not just take your job away till you get a vacine. Grow up if you have a real reason not to get the Vax so be it. But I don't want too really is a selfish answer. Just my opinion and in no way reflects on this website or the people just learning to read. 

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1 hour ago, major-mark63 said:

for my opinion its common sense that a business that work with people , like hospitals , schools and public or private transportations , asked theirs employees all been vaccinated ; its for safety of the workers and also for all users.

Your liberty stops when you are affecting my liberty , i want to be free and go where i can be safe and virus free .

In my place all these masks stuff and restrictions are still in effects because of the amount of sick poeple in hospital ICU who are close to 100 % non or not enough vaccinated...

hope this will end soon ...

Not sure if this will ever end.  There will be other variants of covid that will allow this to continue.  I am vaccinated....I am a first responder.  But I absolutely do not believe in mandates and don't believe it is my responsibility to worry about another persons fears.  Vaccines help, but are not going to stop this.   When does it end?  How many boosters will it be considered to be fully vaccinated?  My liberty stops when I die not when others fears take control.

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20 minutes ago, SGTSmeg said:

Not sure if this will ever end.  There will be other variants of covid that will allow this to continue.  I am vaccinated....I am a first responder.  But I absolutely do not believe in mandates and don't believe it is my responsibility to worry about another persons fears.  Vaccines help, but are not going to stop this.   When does it end?  How many boosters will it be considered to be fully vaccinated?  My liberty stops when I die not when others fears take control.

mutation (variants) occurs when poeple carry the viruses ( the un-vaccinated ) if most of humans would be vaccinated  the virus would vanishes like some others in the past (smallpox etc..)

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And i still wonder why poeple refusing to be vaccinated .

Stop it with the conspiracy , stop the micro chip , or tracking devices , give me a good reason why not??

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10 minutes ago, major-mark63 said:

mutation (variants) occurs when poeple carry the viruses ( the un-vaccinated ) if most of humans would be vaccinated  the virus would vanishes like some others in the past (smallpox etc..)

Hasn't 'science' proven that even vaccinated people are catching and spreading the variants?

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Just now, SGTSmeg said:

Hasn't 'science' proven that even vaccinated people are catching and spreading the variants?

yes you can still have the virus  but in the weak stadium, but you catch it from poeple not vaccinated ...

We need mask , hand cleaner , and 6 ft  until the virus fades.. means almost everyone vaccinated

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Then when I go get my flu shoot I will get my covid shot. Then I'll go get a shot at a bar without a passport or mask. This will happen once we all get vacinated and start herd imunitiy. BTW the flu's of today are variants of teh spanish flu so guess what 🙂

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There is nothing known to man to kill a virus and this one just like all the others is not ever going away...The very thing that bothers me with all of it is simple...They have told everyone to do everything except try to maintain a healthy immune system by eating properly,supplementing and proper rest etc...One of Americas deadly killers is found in most foods (High Fructose Corn Syrup)...If that was limited or removed from ones diet it would add years to a life and far better health...By the way Countries have banned it but not here because it keeps people ill and we know who profits from that...One other point Herpes Virus aka EBV aka Mono has infected 3.7 billion across the globe and no one talks about the devastation it has on people long term and short...I am not anti anything but it should be a personal choice...I know people who have died from the virus and people who have died from the vaccine (Cytokine Storm Syndrome) with in days of their 1st shot...If you do not know what that is look it up...Vaccinated people can get and spread the virus just like everyone else and have done so in a medical environment where testing is critical...There are people dying who need major medical treatment and are not able to get it done because they were and are unable to get the vaccine and being denied and it appears some people are pleased with that...We should never lump people in one pot because everyone is different when it comes to genetics and ones health...Stay healthy that is the best everyone can do and should do regardless of vax or not...

 

That is my roll of pennies

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We had more deaths from heart disease and cancer than corona here in Ohio (stats from day one).  I had the vaccine, but its the individuals choice and one should not be forced to do so.  Gonna take a class action suit against one of these companies to change their tune.   And you never know.   3 years, maybe 5 years down the road, who knows, but what if the vaccines have some detrimental effect on our bodies.  And that effect leads to more deaths than the virus would have !!   All of us who were vaccinated may be walking time bombs.  You do not know.  And I imagine there are lawyers scrambling all over filing class action suits over this, stab or get fired delima.  And they should.  

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14 hours ago, major-mark63 said:

mutation (variants) occurs when poeple carry the viruses ( the un-vaccinated ) if most of humans would be vaccinated  the virus would vanishes like some others in the past (smallpox etc..)

 

Sorry but you are quite incorrect. Vaccinated people can and do still contract this Virus.

My Sister in law works in the health care profession and she has been vaccinated. She also caught this Virus, not once but Twice after being fully vaccinated. The symptoms and severity are lessened in most cases depending on your immune systems ability to fight it, but it Does Not keep you from catching or transmitting this Virus.

The fact is that you can be more deadly to those that are Vaccinated and Non Vaccinated alike if you think that you can not catch and transmit this Virus after being Vaccinated.

 

A vaccinated person could carry it around for over a week before feeling any sort of symptom and even then it can act like a common Allergy or mild common cold. The question then becomes How many people can you infect within that week? And are you going to self quarantine and get tested every single time you catch a sniffle? I think not.     

 

 

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This to me is more about a choice of freedom!  I chose to get vaccinated because I weighed my options and was able to make a choice without someone telling me to do it. Its my choice to do it or not ( not the government or any person ) 

 

 

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Yes i know you can catch the virus ven vaccinated but very low effects, i said that for viruses to mutate (VARIANTS)

the viruses  need a healthy host (unvaccinated ) for them to mutate..

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20 minutes ago, major-mark63 said:

Yes i know you can catch the virus ven vaccinated but very low effects, i said that for viruses to mutate (VARIANTS)

the viruses  need a healthy host (unvaccinated ) for them to mutate..

Are you saying it is healthy peoples fault viruses mutate or viruses just mutate ? That is some mind fuckery right there lol

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2 hours ago, loaderXI said:

Are you saying it is healthy peoples fault viruses mutate or viruses just mutate ? That is some mind fuckery right there lol

Maybe its because my main language is french my translation maybe not perfect ;

 i meant that in general viruses are mutating on non-vaccinated host , because if you are vaccinated the virus you can catch is too weak to mutate.

i read lot of medical journals in the past to get informed due to my girlfriend 's medical condition.

So im pretty informed about viruses.. for me hand cleaning , social distance and mask were not new for me.

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This really is a mute point. Either you wish to error of public safety or you don’t.

I certainly wouldn’t want anyone to infringe on my freedoms as well, but with vaccinations comes privileges. You wish to fly, enjoy a meal at your favourite restaurant or go to a movie?…you will have to be vaccinated like it or not. If you want your freedoms, then companies and business should have Freedoms to not serve you or accept your business. Freedom is not only for you and I. 

As for healthcare? We in the field expect that we should and must be vaccinated. We serve the public health and everyone should feel safe that we are giving them the best of care.

Thx guys 

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7 hours ago, PimpedOutPete said:

I certainly wouldn’t want anyone to infringe on my freedoms as well, but with vaccinations comes privileges.

 

And there lies the problem.

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3 hours ago, GhostfaceJim said:

Ya, companies in US have to pay for healthcare so I guess they can mandate to save money.

In other words its a business! BIG BUSINESS 

 

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