No Benefits For Being Member

[Red Baron]

I have never known the rule that room cant be made for xi members over non members. as a other games admin we always make priority for our members with the same thing happening in cod 4.

[JAYsus_NL]

The problem is that if we have to kick for members and you are 6th or 10th in que, we have to kick actually 6 or 10 people. 6 or 10 regulars that are every day in server..... We never kick for people, member or non member. We all have to wait... Even the admins wait in line.......

Edited March 23, 2016 by Jay80_NL

[Gatorgirl]

Well, that sucks, come play COD4, we'll let you in

[JohnnyNashville]

Benefit? There are no benefits...who told you that? I guess you think there are benefits for being a admin?? 

 

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[7Toes]

[DuckyofDeath123]

There are LOADS of benefits to being a member in the BF4 servers.

 

1. you get prioritized in the queue. That means if you join a queue of 7 (and you do, because the servers are really popular because we DON'T do things like kicking for members...) you get priority over normal players, even the ones with Premium, so you're always in before non-members.

2. you can get on the ignore list for the sniper-limit script. Normally, if you're the 6th person to sit his fat ass in the spawn sniping at people you get killed by the limit. If you're a member, you can have that limit ignored so you can snipe happily away, and even taking a sniper slot from a non-member, forcing them to play with some other weapon.

3. if you tell an admin a player is fucking with you, you get immediate response and reaction. Unlike random Joes and Janes, the admins know you, and they're a lottle more likely to take your word for it. (Bans obviously require some proper evidence, but a warning or even a kick for genuine assholes is a LOT easier for members to get done on the fly.)

4. you get to show off you XI tags, which are universally accepted to be confirmation of coolness.

 

There are clans out there that kick for their members to get in. After a few weeks, the regulars stop coming and you no longer need to kick for members. And then pretty soon you don't need to upkeep the server because all your members have gone to fuller servers.

Edited March 24, 2016 by DuckyofDeath123

[El Presidente]

i would bump a few for members if waiting over 5mins to get in

oops i did that and was told off

i agree with Barron it will not be all the time just if member is waiting over 5 mins to get in.

[Red Baron]

the benefits are for all members i have never asked for anything more so the suggestion of asking for admin favours is slightly insulting although i am sure that wasn't the intent. In COD there has been multiple players kicked for members with a message appearing on screen saying the reason for kick. I agree it can seem harsh to non members and a thin line between keeping members happy and servers full maybe a slight rethink in rules you could be sat there for a whole map is the five minute rule applicable? 

[Goesje]

I know were Barron is comming from with this, played enough other games to have felt the effect of it... positive and negative

But I know from personal experience that I won't return to a server that has fucked up my killstreak/points/overall game by kicking me for takin up space/playing there in the first place.

 

Granted, sniperlimit and priority joining is also given to not members, if they're regulars on TS (and bf4 server).

But this won't effect members joining, since the waiting time with priority hardly ever passes the 4 minutes (for me atleast).

And what @ said, it gives a bit of an administrative clusterfuck every time an admin is asked to clear out the queue (that queue is a double edge blade, if it's needed it's because we got popular servers, but then again no one wants to wait.)

 

I think it might come down to: 'different games - different ways'

[JAYsus_NL]

I think it might come down to: 'different games - different ways'

 

Amen to that!

[HarryWeezer]

Likewise, jump into COD5. We'll kick any non-member for you, regardless whether they are regulars.

[Dark Asylumn]

you have to play the cod servers to benefit.  we will make room for ANY member that comes in.

[Goesje]

Guess that's sorted then xD

[codpiece]

Well, that sucks, come play COD4, we'll let you in

 

 

I always liked that about COD. Once I became a member I got in. It was a great perk for being an XI member.

[Gatorgirl]

I always liked that about COD. Once I became a member I got in. It was a great perk for being an XI member.

Yes it's nice, the system auto kicks so there is no favoritism

[Red Baron]

surely it should be put to a vote then from the many different opinions on both sides

[iboomboom]

I kick for members on COD4 but I have never kicked anyone for me to join or did I ask any admin to kick a non-member for me. I believe I wouldn't want to ruin anyone else's fun for mine. I just try again later, even though there isn't anything like the XI COD4 FTAG server out there. 

 

BF4 is a different type of game, everyone is playing a role in their squad working towards a goal, abruptly disrupting that sounds unfair. I do believe members are prioritized in the Queuing though. 

[JAYsus_NL]

surely it should be put to a vote then from the many different opinions on both sides

 

The only ones haveing different opinions are the COD players. They are used to kicking. We are not....

 

But okay. If there would be a vote, then the vote should be for only BF4 players, so actually only XI members who play BF4 on a regular basis. Even you drop in only, what is it? Once a week/two weeks for half a round? We have the server for over 2 years now, and we always done it like this and noone ever has been complaining about it. You are prioritized in que, so the wait is only 2 to 5 mins (if the map is popular), so i really don`t see a problem here... 

 

Like Iboomboom said; BF4 is a different type of game, everyone is playing a role in their squad working towards a goal, abruptly disrupting that sounds unfair. It actually IS unfair. I would never return to a server that would kick me while i have a good round.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Jay80_NL

[nosleep]

I have never asked anyone to be kicked for me, thats before i was XI, and since being XI. And now since being an admin.. not once have I kicked anyone to make room for me

 

If anyone asks me, i tell everyone the exact same thing...

 

''admins do not kick players even for themselves.. so i wont do it for anyone else... we have a queue jump system, it doesnt take long at all!.. be patient, because everyone else is.''

 

 

If it was a rule, then i would do it, but its not a rule to kick players, its a choice made by the admin...

 

....One that  any player, member or not, should respect.

 

Also, as jay said...when there is a big queue, which is when members want non-members kicked... who do we kick? ....the whole queue of 10 people + someone in game??

 

someone in a great squad with an ok score? no...cos that would spoil their fun and game and thats just cruel for the sake of 5 mins lol....

 

ok.. so kick someone with a very low score.. or someone on zero who just joined??  ... ouch!!

so they just waited in our queue of 10 ppl.... maybe without being on our list, being bumped and bumped by our already bloated prio system that basically everyone is on anyways....

 

but they waited.. cos they love our server.. so ppl sit in a queue of 10 people.. every night of the week.. 100%

 

they sit there and wait.. then they get in.. but 2 mins later they get kicked cos a member couldnt wait 5-10 mins... really? wow!

 

we have a queue every night of the week cos we DONT do that .... and never mind it being horrible to do to someone, its just pointless when our queue jump system means members/regulars dont even wait in the whole queue.. they jump it... its like 5 mins man wow!

 

 

 

EDIT:  and everything @@DuckyofDeath123 said

Edited March 25, 2016 by nosleep

[Red Baron]

it has only affected me in the last week before there has always been room made

[JAYsus_NL]

it has only affected me in the last week before there has always been room made

 

No.. Not exactly true. I always said i made room for you, when you came into the channel asking an admin to kick someone, knowing that you would be in in a sec..... You have been thinking someone has been kicked for you, but no... Never done that... Even last night, you were in in not to long of time, and noone has been kicked for you!

Edited March 25, 2016 by Jay80_NL

[Red Baron]

you may not have done but others have i can assure you it never has been a problem before

[JAYsus_NL]

you may not have done but others have i can assure you it never has been a problem before

 

Then you have been lucky...   In general we just don`t do it!

Edited March 25, 2016 by Jay80_NL

[nosleep]

it has only affected me in the last week before there has always been room made

 

 

Let me get this clear..... you are saying that in the past there has always been room made for you.. that some admin has kicked the entire queue AND players who have been playing... just cos you cant be bothered to wait 5 mins???

 

sorry, i call bs.

 

 

Because I do not know of a single admin that has EVER kicked 8-10 people from a queue then started kicking randoms on top of that... all just to make room for 1 person who hardly ever comes on.

[Ruggerxi]

Like people said, if it was COD then room would be made for you. This is done a lot easier with COD because there is no waiting que. The BF guys have a good system in place that will put members at the front of the que and will be next to be let in. This is to ensure we don't loose everyone in our que and still gives our members a perk for being a clan member. This is a win win for everyone.